<@ULVA73B9P> there is a 30 mins long task where it...
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m
@Marvin there is a 30 mins long task where it process padas df and return a new df with more than 5000 rows, this happens ealry in the flow. when bug fixing and reruning running this step is time wasting, is it recomended to use prefect caching for this or what is ur recomendation
m
thought for 124.6 seconds
Yes — Prefect caching is a good fit for this, with one important detail: Use task caching together with result persistence for that expensive early task. If you have a 30-minute task that produces a pandas DataFrame, and you’re repeatedly debugging downstream logic, caching that task can save a lot of time. Recommended approach
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from prefect import flow, task
from prefect.cache_policies import INPUTS

@task(
    persist_result=True,
    cache_policy=INPUTS,
)
def build_dataframe(raw_input):
    # expensive 30-min processing
    df = ...
    return df

@task
def downstream_step(df):
    # bug-fixing usually happens here
    ...

@flow
def my_flow(raw_input):
    df = build_dataframe(raw_input)
    downstream_step(df)
What this does: - first run:
build_dataframe
executes normally - later runs with the same inputs: Prefect reuses the saved result instead of recomputing it Why
INPUTS
is a good choice for debugging
By default, Prefect often includes task source/code in cache behavior. For debugging downstream tasks, that may be annoying because editing code can invalidate the cache. Using
cache_policy=INPUTS
means: - if the task inputs are unchanged, reuse the result - useful when you are not changing the expensive transformation itself If you do change the expensive task logic and need to recompute it, you can force refresh. Important caveat Caching only works reliably when the result is persisted. So make sure result persistence is enabled: - per task with
persist_result=True
- or globally with:
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prefect config set PREFECT_RESULTS_PERSIST_BY_DEFAULT=true
Docs: - Caching concepts - Result persistence - Advanced caching My practical recommendation For your case, I’d suggest: 1. Put the 30-minute DataFrame step in its own task 2. Enable: -
persist_result=True
-
cache_policy=INPUTS
3. Keep the bug-prone downstream work in separate tasks 4. Rerun the flow while debugging; Prefect should skip the expensive step when inputs haven’t changed When this is a great fit - source data is stable - the expensive task is deterministic - you mostly debug later parts of the flow When I’d consider something else If the DataFrame gets very large, serializing it through Prefect results may become a little heavy. In that case, a very common pattern is: - write the intermediate DataFrame to Parquet - return the file path / object key from the task - downstream tasks read that file That can be better than passing huge DataFrames around in-memory between tasks. Example pattern:
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@task(
    persist_result=True,
    cache_policy=INPUTS,
)
def build_dataframe(raw_input):
    df = ...
    path = "/tmp/processed_df.parquet"
    df.to_parquet(path, index=False)
    return path

@task
def downstream_step(df_path):
    df = pd.read_parquet(df_path)
    ...
This is often my preferred production pattern if: - the intermediate data is large - you may want to inspect/reuse it outside Prefect - multiple reruns will use the same materialized dataset Rule of thumb - small/medium DataFrame: Prefect result caching is fine - larger intermediate dataset or production reuse: materialize to Parquet and cache the path/result Since you mentioned
5000+ rows
, row count alone is not too scary — what matters more is: - number of columns - data types - total memory size So for many 5k-row DataFrames, Prefect caching is completely reasonable. My recommendation in one line Start with Prefect task caching + persisted results for that early 30-minute step. If the DataFrame is large enough that serialization becomes annoying, switch to writing the intermediate result to Parquet and passing the path downstream. If you want, I can show you: 1. a minimal caching example for your current flow, or
2. a Parquet checkpoint pattern that’s better for pandas-heavy pipelines.
m
@Marvin what if input df is too large
m
thought for 33.4 seconds
If the input/output DataFrame is too large, I would not rely on Prefect result caching for the full DataFrame object. Instead, I’d recommend: Best pattern for large DataFrames - materialize the DataFrame to storage yourself - store it as Parquet if possible - have the task return a path / URI / object key - cache that lightweight return value if needed Example:
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from prefect import flow, task
from prefect.cache_policies import INPUTS
import pandas as pd
from pathlib import Path

@task(
    persist_result=True,
    cache_policy=INPUTS,
)
def expensive_transform(raw_path: str) -> str:
    df = pd.read_parquet(raw_path)

    # 30-min transform
    result_df = ...

    out_path = f"/tmp/processed_data.parquet"
    result_df.to_parquet(out_path, index=False)
    return out_path

@task
def debug_step(processed_path: str):
    df = pd.read_parquet(processed_path)
    ...
    return df.head()

@flow
def my_flow(raw_path: str):
    processed_path = expensive_transform(raw_path)
    debug_step(processed_path)
Why this is better for large DataFrames - avoids serializing a huge pandas object into Prefect’s result store - Parquet is usually much more efficient than pickling DataFrames - easier to inspect manually - easier to reuse outside Prefect - better if you later move to remote storage like S3 Even better if you run on EC2 / server Since you’re running on a single machine, you could checkpoint to: - local disk for quick debugging - or S3 if you want durability across instance restarts/redeploys Examples: - local:
/data/checkpoints/processed_20250721.parquet
- S3:
<s3://my-bucket/prefect-checkpoints/processed_20250721.parquet>
Recommended decision - Large DF: save to Parquet, return path - Medium DF: Prefect task caching may still be okay - Need cross-run reuse and inspectability: Parquet/object storage is usually best One more important point If you use a fixed filename like
/tmp/processed_data.parquet
, later runs may overwrite it. Better to make the path deterministic from the input/version, for example:
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import hashlib

def make_key(source_name: str) -> str:
    return hashlib.md5(source_name.encode()).hexdigest()

@task
def expensive_transform(raw_path: str) -> str:
    key = make_key(raw_path)
    out_path = f"/tmp/checkpoints/{key}.parquet"
    ...
    return out_path
That gives you a reusable checkpoint per input. My practical recommendation for you For a pandas-heavy 30-minute step, if the DF is “too large”, use Prefect to orchestrate the step, but let Parquet be the cache. So: - Prefect task = compute/checkpoint management - Parquet file = actual reusable intermediate artifact If you want, I can give you a full Prefect 3 example with: - cache-if-file-exists logic - local disk version - S3 version