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@Marvin attached you will find two screenshots of the logs as seen on prefect ui dashboard. Both these are running the same flow but with different infrastructure, process and k8s job. Both are using prefect 2.20. So why is it that process job takes about 6 seconds to start a flow run but k8s job takes almost 15 seconds?
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Short answer: that difference is expected. A
process
run starts by spawning a local subprocess on an already-running machine. A Kubernetes run has extra steps before your flow code can begin: 1. Prefect creates the K8s Job 2. Kubernetes creates the Pod 3. The scheduler picks a node 4. The node may need to pull the image 5. The container starts Python/Prefect 6. Then your flow code begins So
~6s
for
process
vs
~15s
for
k8s job
is very plausible in Prefect 2.20. Why process is faster - Local subprocess launch is cheap - No pod scheduling - No container startup - No image pull - No K8s API round-trip / job lifecycle overhead Why k8s is slower Even for the same flow, K8s adds fixed startup overhead from: - Kubernetes API job creation - pod scheduling delay - container runtime startup - possible image pull - cluster/node/network latency In practice, the biggest contributors are usually: - image pull time if the image is not already cached on the node - scheduler wait time if the cluster is busy or autoscaling - container startup/import time if the image is heavy A rough mental model: - `process`: “start Python here” - `k8s`: “ask another system to create a container somewhere, wait for it to be ready, then start Python” What the Prefect UI timing usually includes If you’re comparing from flow-run creation to first flow logs, the K8s path includes infrastructure bring-up time, while process usually reaches “user code started” much sooner. Most likely reason for your 9-second gap For a jump from
~6s
to
~15s
, the usual culprits are: - image not cached - pod scheduling latency - cluster autoscaler / limited node capacity - larger/heavier image startup How to verify Check the Kubernetes pod events for the run:
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kubectl describe pod <pod-name> -n <namespace>
Look for timestamps around: -
Scheduled
-
Pulling image
-
Pulled
-
Created
-
Started
That will tell you exactly where the extra ~9 seconds went. How to reduce K8s startup time - Use a smaller image - Set image pull policy to
IfNotPresent
- Keep images cached on nodes - Avoid scale-to-zero / cold autoscaling if low latency matters - Right-size CPU/memory requests so scheduling is easier - Keep cluster/API latency low If you want, send the two screenshots and I can help map the exact log lines to the startup phases and estimate where the extra delay is happening.
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@Marvin Here is a screenshot of the describe command output
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thought for 6.9 seconds
I don’t see the screenshot attached in this thread. Please re-upload it, or paste the relevant parts from:
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kubectl describe pod <pod-name> -n <namespace>
The most useful sections are: - Events - Status - Containers - the timestamps for: -
Scheduled
-
Pulling
-
Pulled
-
Created
-
Started
If easier, just paste the
Events:
block and I’ll help pinpoint where the extra startup time is coming from.
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@Marvin
m
thought for 3.7 seconds
I still don’t see an attachment coming through. Please either: - re-upload the screenshot, or - paste the text from
kubectl describe pod ...
Best thing to paste is:
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Events:
...
If you want, you can redact names/IDs. The key lines I need are anything mentioning: -
Scheduled
-
Pulling
-
Pulled
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Created
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Started
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FailedScheduling
or autoscaler events
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Events:
  Type    Reason     Age   From               Message
  ----    ------     ----  ----               -------
  Normal  Scheduled  96s   default-scheduler  Successfully assigned
  Normal  Pulling    96s   kubelet            spec.containers{prefect-job}: Pulling image "xxx.xx.io/xxx"
  Normal  Pulled     96s   kubelet            spec.containers{prefect-job}: Successfully pulled image "xxx.xx.io/xxx" in 257ms (257ms including waiting). Image size: 290572417 bytes.
  Normal  Created    96s   kubelet            spec.containers{prefect-job}: Container created
  Normal  Started    96s   kubelet            spec.containers{prefect-job}: Container started
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thought for 12.1 seconds
Thanks — this is helpful. Based on that
Events:
block, Kubernetes itself is probably not the main source of the extra 9 seconds. What your pod events show: -
Scheduled
-
Pulling
-
Pulled
-
Created
-
Started
all happened essentially immediately, and the image pull was only
257ms
. So this rules out the common K8s bottlenecks: - not image pull - not pod scheduling delay - not node autoscaling - not slow container creation What that means Your extra startup time is likely happening before the pod is created or after the container starts but before your flow code logs appear. So the delay is probably in one of these two places: 1. Before K8s Job/Pod creation Possible sources: - Prefect agent polling interval - time between flow entering a scheduled/pending state and the agent picking it up - Kubernetes Job creation round-trip from the Prefect agent - any deployment/infrastructure preparation Prefect does before submitting the job 2. After container start, before flow code actually runs Possible sources: - Python interpreter startup in the container - Prefect package import/init - pulling flow code from remote storage - installing/loading dependencies at runtime - heavy module imports in your flow file - startup scripts / entrypoint overhead Your pod events suggest the actual K8s infrastructure startup is very fast once the pod exists. Important implication The
process
infrastructure likely starts user code faster because it skips: - container boot - separate runtime environment init - potentially code retrieval inside the container But in your case, the delta is not mostly due to image pull or scheduling. How to isolate the gap exactly Compare these timestamps in Prefect UI/logs: 1. Flow run submitted / picked up by agent 2. Kubernetes job created 3. Pod started ← from your
describe
output 4. First Prefect engine log inside container 5. First user log from your flow If the big gap is: - before step 2: Prefect-side orchestration / polling delay - between 3 and 4: container command / Python / Prefect startup - between 4 and 5: importing your flow code or loading from storage Most likely explanation from the data you shared Given
Scheduled
through
Started
is basically instantaneous, I’d suspect: - Prefect polling / submission overhead, or - containerized Python/Prefect/flow import startup overhead Next thing to check Please share: 1. the Prefect worker/agent logs around that run 2. the first few logs from inside the flow run 3. the timestamps in UI for: - run created - submitted to infrastructure - first running log That will let us identify whether the missing ~9 seconds is: - Prefect before pod creation, or - inside the container after start If you want, I can also give you a small “timestamp checklist” to collect from both the process run and the k8s run so we can compare them side by side.
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@Marvin As from the screenshot, these are the most time taking steps
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thought for 19.7 seconds
If those lines are the slowest steps in the Prefect UI, then the key thing is: the Prefect UI log timing is not the same thing as Kubernetes pod event timing. Your
kubectl describe pod
output says: - scheduling was immediate - image pull was
257ms
- container started immediately So if the UI still shows those steps as “taking the longest,” that usually means one of these: 1. Prefect logs are coarse-grained markers The UI often shows high-level infrastructure messages like: - creating job - job created - pod pending - running Those are state/log checkpoints, not a precise trace of every K8s sub-step. The elapsed time between them can include waiting that happened outside the literal action named in the log line. So “Kubernetes pod is pending” may just mean: - Prefect emitted that status - then it waited until it observed the pod/container transition - the delay may include observer polling / state reconciliation not necessarily “the scheduler was struggling the whole time.” 2. There can be delay between actual K8s state change and when Prefect observes it In Prefect 2.x, Kubernetes infrastructure monitoring is not a nanosecond-accurate reflection of pod lifecycle. There can be lag from: - agent polling - Kubernetes watch/poll cycles - Prefect state update timing - log/event propagation back to the API/UI So the pod may have started quickly, but Prefect may only reflect that a few seconds later. 3. The time may actually be after container start Even after the pod is
Started
, your container still has to: - launch Python - import Prefect - load your flow code - connect back to Prefect API - begin emitting logs That time won’t show up in
kubectl describe
events, but it will contribute to what you perceive as startup delay in the UI. So the picture is: - Kubernetes says pod startup was fast - Prefect UI says infrastructure phase looked long - therefore the missing time is probably in Prefect observation/reporting or container startup after pod start Most likely interpretation For your case, the extra delay is probably a combination of: - normal Prefect 2.x K8s orchestration/observation lag - containerized Prefect runtime startup - flow import / code loading time and not actual scheduler/image-pull slowness. Why process still wins A process run is simpler: - local machine already running - no job object - no pod lifecycle - no container entrypoint - often less runtime initialization So even if Kubernetes is behaving well, it still has more moving parts and more opportunities for a few extra seconds of control-plane/runtime overhead. Practical conclusion Based on the pod events you shared, I would not blame: - image size - image pull - scheduler capacity - autoscaling I would instead look at: - Prefect agent polling / infrastructure submission timing - delay between pod started and first container log - heavy imports / startup logic in the container - remote code fetch/storage setup, if used Best next check Run:
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kubectl logs <pod-name> -n <namespace> --timestamps
Then compare: - pod
Started
time - first container log time - first Prefect engine log time - first user flow log time If you share those timestamps, I can tell you exactly where the missing seconds are. If you'd like, I can also help you build a side-by-side timing table for: - process run - kubernetes run so you can pinpoint the exact source of the 6s vs 15s difference.
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hi @Ferchau Gupta - updated the slackbot so it can see images now