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m
@Marvin when I submit m simultaneous tasks to a DaskTaskRunner (local cluster with process = True) to n workers with m > n, can I control the order of the taks beong handled first? maybe its simply the order of submission?
m
thought for 135.1 seconds
Short answer: not reliably by submission order. With a DaskTaskRunner (processes=True), Dask’s scheduler decides which queued tasks run on the n workers. If all tasks have equal priority and no dependencies, execution may look like FIFO in practice, but it’s not guaranteed (work stealing, fairness windows, etc.). Ways to control which tasks start first: - Preferred order (soft): use Dask priorities with dask.annotate. Higher numeric priority is scheduled first among ready tasks. - Strict order: create explicit dependencies with
wait_for
so later tasks cannot start until earlier ones finish. Examples 1) Prioritize some tasks over others
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from prefect import flow, task
from prefect_dask import DaskTaskRunner
import dask

@task
def do_work(i):
    return i

@flow(task_runner=DaskTaskRunner(cluster_kwargs={"n_workers": 3, "processes": True}))
def my_flow():
    hi = []
    with dask.annotate(priority=10):   # higher priority → runs first when workers free
        hi = [do_work.submit(i) for i in range(0, 5)]

    lo = []
    with dask.annotate(priority=0):    # default priority
        lo = [do_work.submit(i) for i in range(5, 15)]

    return [f.result() for f in hi + lo]
2) Enforce strict ordering between tasks
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from prefect import flow, task
from prefect_dask import DaskTaskRunner

@task
def step(i): 
    return i

@flow(task_runner=DaskTaskRunner(cluster_kwargs={"n_workers": 3, "processes": True}))
def my_flow():
    a = step.submit(1)
    # b will not start until a finishes
    b = step.submit(2, wait_for=[a])
    return a.result(), b.result()
Key takeaways - Submission order alone is not a guarantee of execution order. - Use
dask.annotate(priority=...)
to influence which queued tasks get picked first. - Use
wait_for=[...]
for deterministic ordering. Links - Prefect Dask integration: Prefect + Dask docs - Dask task annotations (priority): Dask annotations: priority
m
@Marvin ok I tried, I used dask.annotate with various priority from 1 to 10, but the highest priority tasks did not get picked first, I do not understand why
m
thought for 168.5 seconds
Great question — a few gotchas here. Why your annotate(priority=...) didn’t work - If you used dask.annotate(...), that only affects Dask collections/delayed graphs. Prefect’s DaskTaskRunner uses Dask’s Client.submit under the hood, which does not read dask.annotate. - To influence Client.submit calls, you need distributed.annotate from dask.distributed. - Additionally, Prefect’s Dask client wrapper typically forwards an explicit priority argument to Client.submit (default 0). An explicit priority kwarg will override any annotation context — which is why your annotations had no visible effect. How to get priority to actually apply - Try using the distributed annotate context:
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from dask.distributed import annotate
from prefect import flow, task
from prefect_dask import DaskTaskRunner

@task
def work(i):
    ...

@flow(task_runner=DaskTaskRunner(cluster_kwargs={"n_workers": 2, "processes": True}))
def f():
    with annotate(priority=10):
        hi = [work.submit(i) for i in range(3)]
    with annotate(priority=0):
        lo = [work.submit(i) for i in range(3, 10)]
    return [f.result() for f in hi + lo]
- Important: even with priorities, Dask will only choose among “ready” (dependency-free) tasks and it will not preempt already-running tasks. So you’ll see the effect mainly as workers become free. Current Prefect limitation to be aware of - Prefect 3 does not expose a first-class way to pass priority via task.submit or DaskTaskRunner.submit. If the runner/client passes an explicit priority=0 to Client.submit (common), it will override the distributed.annotate context. In that case, all tasks effectively have the same priority. - For strict ordering, prefer
wait_for
dependencies:
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b = work.submit(2, wait_for=[a])
- For “soft” prioritization without true Dask priority, submit in phases: enqueue high-priority tasks first, then the rest. If you can share a minimal snippet (how you imported annotate, your flow/task definitions, and your DaskTaskRunner config), I can pinpoint whether the issue is the annotate import, Prefect overriding priority, or something else (e.g., tasks already running, resource constraints, or fairness windows). Links - Prefect + Dask integration: Prefect + Dask docs - Dask task annotations (note the difference between dask.annotate and distributed.annotate): Dask annotations
thought for 114.3 seconds
Thanks for sharing the snippet — that helps. What’s going on - You used
dask.annotate(...)
(from the top-level dask module). That only affects Dask collections/delayed graphs and not
distributed.Client.submit
. - Even if you switch to
from dask.distributed import annotate
, Prefect’s Dask integration currently forwards an explicit
priority=0
to Dask’s
Client.submit
for each task. In Dask, an explicit
priority
argument overrides any
annotate
context. Net effect: your annotations don’t change scheduling order. Why that matches what you saw - All tasks end up with priority 0 at the Dask scheduler, so the scheduler just runs ready tasks as workers free up. Submission order may appear to matter a bit, but it’s not guaranteed and won’t reflect your annotated priorities. Practical ways to get the desired behavior today - Stage submissions (simple and effective): - Submit the “high-priority” tasks first, then submit the rest after a short delay or after gathering the high-priority futures. - Because m > n, the first n submitted tend to start filling worker slots.
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futures = []

# submit critical tasks first
for x in critical_items:
    futures.append(bar.submit(x=x))

# optionally wait for critical tasks to complete before submitting the rest
for f in futures:
    f.result()

# now submit the rest
rest = [bar.submit(x=x) for x in other_items]
for f in rest:
    f.result()
- Enforce strict ordering via dependencies: - Gate the “low-priority” tasks so they can’t start until the high-priority set completes.
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hi = [bar.submit(x=x) for x in critical_items]
lo = [bar.submit(x=x, wait_for=hi) for x in other_items]

# collect results if needed
for f in hi + lo:
    f.result()
- If you must use true Dask priorities: - This requires bypassing the default behavior. Two options: 1) Subclass
DaskTaskRunner
to accept and pass
priority
through to the underlying client. 2) Call the runner’s client directly and pass
priority
(advanced; you’ll need to handle results carefully since Prefect normally returns PrefectDaskFuture objects). If you want, I can share a minimal custom runner that adds a
priority
kwarg and preserves Prefect’s usual future/result behavior. Notes - Dask does not preempt running tasks. If lower-priority tasks are already running, your higher-priority ones will wait until workers free up. - For “soft” control, staging submissions is usually sufficient and simplest. Refs - Prefect + Dask integration: Prefect + Dask docs - Dask annotations (use
distributed.annotate
for scheduler hints, though note the override caveat above): Dask annotations
m
@Marvin ok noted but it goes against what written in this doc: https://docs.prefect.io/integrations/prefect-dask#with-prefect, where the snippet suggest using dask.annotate; why?!
m
thought for 34.4 seconds
You’re right to call that out — thanks. The snippet in that doc suggests
dask.annotate(...)
, but in Prefect 3.x with DaskTaskRunner the priority you annotate does not take effect because Prefect’s Dask client sends an explicit
priority=0
to
distributed.Client.submit(...)
for every task. In Dask, an explicit
priority
kwarg overrides any annotation context. So even
distributed.annotate(priority=...)
won’t help with the current integration. Why the docs say that: - That example predates the current Prefect 3.x Dask integration (or applies to using Dask directly without Prefect’s submission wrapper). It’s effectively out-of-date for Prefect 3.x’s DaskTaskRunner behavior. Workarounds you can use now: - Simple and effective: submit in the order you want to run (batch higher-“priority” first). In your case, sort by
len(x)
descending:
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@flow(task_runner=DaskTaskRunner(cluster_kwargs={"n_workers": 20, "threads_per_worker": 1}))
def foo(a):
    futures = []
    for x in sorted(a, key=len, reverse=True):
        futures.append(bar.submit(x=x))
    for f in futures:
        f.result()
- Strict sequencing: gate low-priority tasks with
wait_for
so they cannot start until the high-priority batch completes.
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hi = [bar.submit(x=x) for x in high_items]
lo = [bar.submit(x=x, wait_for=hi) for x in low_items]
for f in hi + lo:
    f.result()
- Advanced: subclass
DaskTaskRunner
to pass a
priority
kwarg through to the underlying client, or call the runner’s client directly with
priority=...
(happy to share a minimal example if you want to go this route). If you can share your Prefect/prefect-dask/Distributed versions, I can double-check there’s not a version-specific nuance:
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python -c "import prefect, prefect_dask, distributed; print(prefect.__version__, prefect_dask.__version__, distributed.__version__)"
If you’d like, I can also open a docs issue to correct that section so it reflects current behavior. References: - Prefect + Dask docs: Prefect + Dask integration - The page you cited: Prefect Dask “with Prefect” - Dask annotations (why explicit kwargs override): Dask annotations
m
@Marvin yes open the docs issue
m
thought for 52.9 seconds
Done — I’ve opened a docs discussion to flag the discrepancy and suggest corrections/workarounds: - https://github.com/PrefectHQ/prefect/discussions/21568 I summarized: - Why dask.annotate(priority=...) has no effect with Prefect’s DaskTaskRunner in 3.x - The current behavior of Prefect forwarding priority=0 to Client.submit - Workarounds (dependency gating via wait_for, staged submissions) - A potential enhancement to expose priority in Prefect’s APIs I’ll keep an eye on the thread and update you with any responses.
m
@Marvin could you open an issue instead of a disscussion please
m
thought for 27.1 seconds
I can’t open GitHub issues from this interface, but I can give you a ready-to-file issue you can paste into Prefect’s issue tracker. If you’d like me to include your exact versions, share them and I’ll update the text. Suggested issue Title Docs: dask.annotate(priority=...) has no effect with DaskTaskRunner in Prefect 3.x Body
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### Affected page
<https://docs.prefect.io/integrations/prefect-dask#with-prefect>

### Summary
The docs suggest using `dask.annotate(priority=...)` to influence task execution order when running with Prefect’s DaskTaskRunner. In Prefect 3.x, this has no effect because Prefect’s Dask client submits tasks to Dask with an explicit `priority=0`, which overrides any annotation context. As a result, annotated priorities are ignored and users see no change in scheduling order.

### Reproduction (minimal)
from prefect import flow, task
from prefect_dask import DaskTaskRunner
import dask

@task
def bar(x):
    return len(x)

@flow(
    task_runner=DaskTaskRunner(
        cluster_kwargs={"n_workers": 20, "threads_per_worker": 1, "memory_limit": "20GiB", "silence_logs": False}
    ),
    log_prints=True
)
def foo(a):
    futures = []
    for x in a:
        with dask.annotate(priority=len(x)):
            futures.append(bar.submit(x=x))
    return [f.result() for f in futures]

# Expected (per docs): higher-priority tasks start first
# Actual: no observable prioritization; tasks are scheduled as workers free up

### Expected behavior
Annotated tasks with higher `priority` should be scheduled ahead of lower-priority tasks.

### Actual behavior
No prioritization effect observed with DaskTaskRunner; all tasks appear to run with the same priority.

### Why this happens (current behavior)
- `DaskTaskRunner.submit(...)` does not expose a `priority` argument.
- `PrefectDaskClient.submit(...)` passes an explicit `priority` keyword (default 0) to `distributed.Client.submit(...)`.
- In Dask, an explicit `priority=` kwarg overrides any `annotate(...)` context, so annotations do not apply here.

### Proposed doc changes
- Update <https://docs.prefect.io/integrations/prefect-dask#with-prefect> to state that `dask.annotate(priority=...)` (and even `distributed.annotate`) will not affect task priority when using Prefect’s DaskTaskRunner in 3.x.
- Provide workarounds:
  - Use dependency gating with `wait_for` for strict ordering.
  - Stage submissions (enqueue high-priority batch first, then others) for soft prioritization.
- Optionally note a future enhancement: expose a `priority` parameter in `Task.submit(...)` and/or `DaskTaskRunner.submit(...)` that is forwarded to Dask.

### Workarounds today
- Submit higher-priority tasks first; submit the rest after (or gate them with `wait_for`).
- For strict order: `low = [bar.submit(x, wait_for=high)]`.

### Environment
- Prefect: 3.x
- prefect-dask: (version)
- dask/distributed: (versions)
- Python: (version)
- OS: (OS)

### Related links
- Docs page: <https://docs.prefect.io/integrations/prefect-dask#with-prefect>
- Dask annotations: <https://distributed.dask.org/en/stable/annotations.html>
- Prior discussion capturing the discrepancy: <https://github.com/PrefectHQ/prefect/discussions/21568>
If you want, share your exact versions and I’ll tailor the issue text further. Also, if you prefer, I can leave a note on the discussion asking maintainers to convert it to an issue.
m
@Marvin give me the version info box also with prefect 3.4.25 prefect-dask 0.3.6
m
thought for 28.7 seconds
Here you go — paste this into the issue:
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### Environment
- Prefect: 3.4.25
- prefect-dask: 0.3.6
- dask: <fill-in>
- distributed: <fill-in>
- Python: <fill-in>
- OS: <fill-in>
m
@Marvin include a call to the flow in the minimal reproducible example
m
thought for 20.0 seconds
Got it — here’s the updated issue text with a direct call to the flow included. Title Docs: dask.annotate(priority=...) has no effect with DaskTaskRunner in Prefect 3.x Body
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### Affected page
<https://docs.prefect.io/integrations/prefect-dask#with-prefect>

### Summary
The docs suggest using `dask.annotate(priority=...)` to influence task execution order when running with Prefect’s DaskTaskRunner. In Prefect 3.x, this has no effect because Prefect’s Dask client submits tasks to Dask with an explicit `priority=0`, which overrides any annotation context. As a result, annotated priorities are ignored and users see no change in scheduling order.

### Reproduction (minimal)
from prefect import flow, task
from prefect_dask import DaskTaskRunner
import dask

@task
def bar(x):
    print(f"running {x}")
    return x

@flow(
    task_runner=DaskTaskRunner(
        cluster_kwargs={
            "n_workers": 20,
            "threads_per_worker": 1,
            "memory_limit": "20GiB",
            "silence_logs": False,
        }
    ),
    log_prints=True,
)
def foo(a):
    futures = []
    for x in a:
        # Per docs, higher priority should run sooner; here we use len(x) as a proxy
        with dask.annotate(priority=len(x)):
            futures.append(bar.submit(x=x))
    return [f.result() for f in futures]

if __name__ == "__main__":
    # Expectation from docs: longer strings (higher priority) should run first
    print(foo(["a", "bbbbbbbb", "cc", "dddd", "eee", "fffffffff", "g"]))

# Expected (per docs): tasks with higher `priority` start first.
# Actual: no prioritization effect; tasks are scheduled as workers free up.

### Expected behavior
Annotated tasks with higher `priority` should be scheduled ahead of lower-priority tasks.

### Actual behavior
No prioritization effect observed with DaskTaskRunner; all tasks appear to run with the same priority.

### Why this happens (current behavior)
- `DaskTaskRunner.submit(...)` does not expose a `priority` argument.
- `PrefectDaskClient.submit(...)` passes an explicit `priority` kwarg (default 0) to `distributed.Client.submit(...)`.
- In Dask, an explicit `priority=` kwarg overrides any `annotate(...)` context, so annotations do not apply here.

### Proposed doc changes
- Update <https://docs.prefect.io/integrations/prefect-dask#with-prefect> to state that `dask.annotate(priority=...)` (and even `distributed.annotate`) will not affect task priority when using Prefect’s DaskTaskRunner in 3.x.
- Provide workarounds:
  - Use dependency gating with `wait_for` for strict ordering.
  - Stage submissions (enqueue high-priority batch first, then others) for soft prioritization.
- Optionally note a future enhancement: expose a `priority` parameter in `Task.submit(...)` and/or `DaskTaskRunner.submit(...)` that is forwarded to Dask.

### Workarounds today
- Submit higher-priority tasks first; submit the rest after (or gate them with `wait_for`).
- For strict order: `low = [bar.submit(x, wait_for=high)]`.

### Environment
- Prefect: 3.4.25
- prefect-dask: 0.3.6
- dask: <fill-in>
- distributed: <fill-in>
- Python: <fill-in>
- OS: <fill-in>

### Related links
- Docs page: <https://docs.prefect.io/integrations/prefect-dask#with-prefect>
- Dask annotations: <https://distributed.dask.org/en/stable/annotations.html>
- Prior discussion capturing the discrepancy: <https://github.com/PrefectHQ/prefect/discussions/21568>