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@Marvin what is the advantage and difference of using a background tasks to run processes compare to using deployments and running code inside flows and then tasks submitted instead of being "delayed" ?
m
thought for 249.6 seconds
Great question — there are some important trade-offs between background tasks and flows/deployments in Prefect 3.x. Here’s a concise comparison to help you choose the right tool for each job. High-level difference - Background tasks (
.delay()
/
.result_async()
): Fire-and-forget (or awaitable) single task runs that execute on a pool of task workers. Great for web backends and services that need to fan out lots of lightweight jobs across machines with low overhead. - Flows + deployments: Full orchestration around a flow run (packaged code, infrastructure, schedules, retries, DAG of tasks). Best for end-to-end pipelines and reproducible/managed execution. When background tasks shine - Horizontal fan-out across machines: Each
.delay()
creates a task run that any available task worker can pick up — perfect for spreading work across many workers. - Low overhead / low latency: No need to spin up a full flow run or container per unit of work. - Web/service integration: You can kick off tasks from your app and optionally await them with
await future.result_async()
using
asyncio.gather
, just like you’re doing. - Fine-grained control: Dynamically name runs with
.with_options(name=...)
, set per-task retries/timeouts, and get per-task visibility in the UI. - Simple concurrency: You can fan out by looping and calling
.delay()
for each unit of work. Limitations of background tasks (vs flows) - No flow-level graph: You get standalone task runs; there’s no DAG, no subflows, no sequential dependencies between them unless you orchestrate that in code. - Less packaging/isolation: You rely on your task workers’ environment to run the task; deployments give you a declared environment (e.g., Docker/Kubernetes) and source pinning. - Coarser result management: Great for single units, but flows are better for coordinating many steps, shared state, assets, and lineage across a run. - Scheduling/CI/CD: Deployments are the unit of scheduling, promotion, and repeatability; background tasks are ad-hoc. When flows + deployments are better - End-to-end pipelines with dependencies and retries at multiple levels (task and flow). - Reproducible environments (e.g., containerized) and source control baked into deployments. - Schedules, parameters, automations, and clear operational semantics for teams. - Parallelism within a single flow run’s resources is sufficient (e.g., threads/processes on the same worker). Execution model differences - Background tasks: - Dispatched to task workers; can scale across many machines. - Each
.delay()
returns a `PrefectFuture`; await with
await future.result_async()
. - Task-level options (retries, timeouts, caching) apply. - Names from
.with_options(name="...")
show in the UI to help with observability. - Cancellable individually from the UI/API. - Tasks within a flow run: - Execute within the flow run’s infrastructure (typically one container/pod/VM) using the flow’s task runner (e.g., threads/processes). - Concurrency is bounded by that one environment — it won’t naturally spread across multiple workers unless you launch multiple flow runs (e.g., sub-deployments). Common patterns - Background fan-out from a service (what you’re doing)
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@task(retries=3, timeout_seconds=600)
  def work(item): ...

  # In your async web handler or service:
  futures = [
      work.with_options(name=f"work-{i}").delay(i)
      for i in items
  ]
  results = await asyncio.gather(*(f.result_async() for f in futures))
- Fan-out within a flow run (parallelism on one machine)
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from prefect import flow, task
  from prefect.task_runners import ThreadPoolTaskRunner

  @task
  def work(x): ...

  @flow(task_runner=ThreadPoolTaskRunner(max_workers=16))
  def pipeline(items):
      futures = [work(x) for x in items]   # returns Prefect futures
      return [f.result() for f in futures]
How to choose
- Pick background tasks when you need to burst/fan-out across many workers with minimal overhead and you don’t need a flow-level DAG. - Pick flows + deployments when you need a managed pipeline, reproducible environments, schedules, subflows, and/or when coordination between steps is important. Notes for your current setup - Your pattern of
.with_options(name=...)
+
.delay()
+
asyncio.gather
is ideal for scalable, low-latency fan-out from a backend. - If you need stronger isolation or packaging guarantees for certain jobs, consider wrapping that part in a dedicated deployment and calling it (you can mix both approaches). More info - Background tasks overview: Blog: Background tasks in Prefect - Background tasks docs (Prefect 3): Docs: Background tasks If you share your workload profile (task duration, volume, payload sizes), I can help fine-tune worker sizing, concurrency, and whether to mix in deployments for specific steps.
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@Marvin when a deployment is run, compared to a background task, is there a difference like running on a different process or thread ?
m
thought for 201.2 seconds
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@Marvin Is there any issue to call a background task from a deployed flow and vice versa ? How is that different to run a flow directly, as a classical function ?
m
Error:
Short answer: yes — there are meaningful differences. In Prefect 3.x: Flow runs from deployments - Process and infra: A deployment run starts a flow run inside its own process within the configured infrastructure (e.g., a container/VM/pod created by your work pool). This gives you per-flow-run isolation at the OS process (and often container) level. - Task concurrency inside the flow: Tasks run within that one flow-run process using the flow’s task runner: - ThreadPoolTaskRunner: parallelism via threads - ProcessPoolTaskRunner: parallelism via child processes - If you don’t set one explicitly, Prefect uses its default task runner; set one if you need to control threads vs processes. - Key takeaway: A deployment isolates each flow run; you choose thread- vs process-based parallelism for tasks inside that single flow-run process. Background tasks (.delay) - Process and infra: A background task run is executed by a task worker in the worker’s existing process. Multiple background tasks share the same worker process. - Concurrency: Each task worker can run multiple background tasks concurrently up to its limit (TaskWorker(limit=...)). There’s no per-task child process by default — tasks run inline in the worker’s Python process. To scale out, run more task workers (across machines/containers) or increase limits. - Key takeaway: Background tasks are lightweight and spread across many task workers, but each task does not get its own OS process unless you build that into your task code or scale via more worker processes. What to use when - Need strong isolation per run, pinned environment, or process-level parallelism inside one run: use a deployment and select a ProcessPoolTaskRunner (or ThreadPoolTaskRunner for I/O). - Need to fan out many independent units across a fleet with minimal overhead and low latency: use background tasks; scale by running more task workers and setting worker limits. Examples - Flow with process-based task parallelism:
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from prefect import flow, task
from prefect.task_runners import ProcessPoolTaskRunner

@task
def do_cpu_bound(x): ...

@flow(task_runner=ProcessPoolTaskRunner(max_workers=8))
def my_flow(items):
    futs = [do_cpu_bound(i) for i in items]
    return [f.result() for f in futs]
- Background fan-out from an app (your current pattern):
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@task(retries=2, timeout_seconds=600)
def work(item): ...

futures = [work.with_options(name=f"work-{i}").delay(i) for i in items]
results = await asyncio.gather(*(f.result_async() for f in futures))
Docs - Background tasks: Docs: Background tasks - Task runners (threads vs processes): Prefect 3 docs (see task runners under flows/tasks) If your underlying concern is CPU-bound work or memory isolation, say the word and I’ll suggest a concrete setup (e.g., ProcessPoolTaskRunner vs more task workers vs mixing deployments for specific steps).
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@Marvin Is there any issue to call a background task from a deployed flow and vice versa ? How is that different to run a flow directly, as a classical function ?
m
thought for 96.5 seconds
Short answer: you can mix them. Calling background tasks from a deployed flow and starting flows from a background task are both supported. The main differences are about isolation, scheduling, and how cancellation/observability behave. Calling background tasks from a deployed flow - Supported: Inside your flow run, you can do
task.with_options(name=...).delay(...)
to fan out work to task workers. You can optionally
await fut.result_async()
to gather results. - Independence: Each background task run is independent of the parent flow run. - Cancellation does not cascade: cancelling the flow run will not automatically cancel the background task runs you launched. - Failures do not propagate unless you explicitly await their results (then your flow can fail based on those outcomes). - Concurrency/isolation: Background tasks run in task worker processes (shared with other background tasks). They do not use the flow’s task runner. Their concurrency is governed by your task worker limits and how many workers you’re running. - UI lineage: These task runs won’t appear as child tasks of your flow DAG; they are separate task runs. Use names/tags for correlation. Starting a flow (or deployment) from a background task - Preferred: Use
run_deployment(...)
to start a real flow run with your deployment’s infra, packaging, and retries. - Tip: If you want the new flow run to be independent, set
as_subflow=False
. If you want it to appear nested under a parent flow run, use
as_subflow=True
from within a flow; from a background task there is no parent flow, so treat it as independent. - Alternative: Call a
@flow
function directly (e.g.,
await my_flow(params)
if it’s async). This runs the flow in the current worker process, immediately, without going through a work pool or deployment. - Pros: low latency; no queueing. - Cons: no container/infra isolation; concurrency limited to that worker process; you’re tying up the background task worker while the flow runs. How this differs from “running a flow directly, as a classical function” - Calling a
@flow
function directly: - Runs immediately in-process with the current Python interpreter (no work pool or deployment infra). - Creates a flow run in Prefect (if connected to the API), and tasks inside it use the configured task runner (threads/processes) within that one process. - No scheduling or queueing; parallelism is bounded by the process and chosen task runner. - Running a deployment: - Schedules a flow run to be picked up by a work pool/worker that provisions the configured infra (often a fresh container/VM/pod). - Better isolation, reproducibility, and repeatability; good for long-running or resource-heavy work. Practical patterns - From a deployed flow, background fan-out and await:
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@task(retries=2, timeout_seconds=600)
def work(item): ...

@flow
async def driver(items):
    futs = [work.with_options(name=f"work-{i}").delay(i) for i in items]
    results = await asyncio.gather(*(f.result_async() for f in futs))
    return results
- From a background task, start a deployment (recommended for isolation):
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from prefect.deployments import run_deployment

@task
def orchestrate():
    # Fire-and-forget
    run_deployment(name="project/flow", parameters={"x": 1}, as_subflow=False)
Caveats to keep in mind when mixing - Cancellation doesn’t cascade across boundaries (flow → background task, or background task → deployment) unless you wire it yourself. - Observability: independent runs won’t appear as DAG children; use names/tags to correlate. - Backpressure: if you
await
lots of background tasks inside a flow run, you’re keeping the flow’s infra alive while you wait. That’s fine when you need results; otherwise consider letting them run asynchronously and checking outcomes later.
- Concurrency: background tasks use task worker limits; tasks inside a flow run use the flow’s task runner (threads/processes). Choose based on whether you want many small tasks spread across machines (background tasks) or parallelism inside one isolated run (flow + task runner). More info - Background tasks overview: Blog: Background tasks in Prefect - Background tasks docs (Prefect 3): Docs: Background tasks If you share how long your tasks run and how many you fan out, I can suggest whether to await in-flow, fire-and-forget, or promote some steps to deployments for isolation.