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@Marvin I need to get information about the postgres sql tables and their usages
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Got it! By “information about Postgres tables and their usages,” do you mean: - Schema inventory (tables, columns, constraints) - Sizes and row counts - Indexes and index usage - Activity stats (seq/index scans, inserts/updates/deletes, autovacuum/analyze) - Dependencies (which views/functions use which tables) - Or something else (e.g., last access time, top queries)? If you can confirm which aspects you need and your schema(s) of interest, I’ll tailor this. In the meantime, here are ready-to-run queries and an example of how to run them from a Prefect 3.x flow. PostgreSQL queries you can run directly - List tables in a schema with size
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select
  n.nspname as schema,
  c.relname as table,
  pg_size_pretty(pg_relation_size(c.oid)) as table_size,
  pg_size_pretty(pg_indexes_size(c.oid)) as indexes_size,
  pg_size_pretty(pg_total_relation_size(c.oid)) as total_size
from pg_class c
join pg_namespace n on n.oid = c.relnamespace
where c.relkind = 'r' and n.nspname = :schema
order by pg_total_relation_size(c.oid) desc;
- Estimated row counts
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select
  n.nspname as schema,
  c.relname as table,
  c.reltuples::bigint as estimated_rows
from pg_class c
join pg_namespace n on n.oid = c.relnamespace
where c.relkind = 'r' and n.nspname = :schema
order by estimated_rows desc;
- Table activity/usage stats
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select
  schemaname as schema,
  relname as table,
  seq_scan, idx_scan,
  n_tup_ins, n_tup_upd, n_tup_del, n_tup_hot_upd,
  vacuum_count, autovacuum_count, analyze_count, autoanalyze_count,
  last_vacuum, last_autovacuum, last_analyze, last_autoanalyze
from pg_stat_user_tables
where schemaname = :schema
order by (seq_scan + idx_scan) desc;
- Indexes and definitions
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select
  i.schemaname as schema,
  i.tablename as table,
  i.indexname,
  i.indexdef
from pg_indexes i
where i.schemaname = :schema
order by i.tablename, i.indexname;
- Index usage stats
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select
  schemaname as schema,
  relname as table,
  indexrelname as index,
  idx_scan, idx_tup_read, idx_tup_fetch
from pg_stat_user_indexes
where schemaname = :schema
order by idx_scan desc;
- Columns and data types
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select
  table_schema, table_name, ordinal_position, column_name, data_type, is_nullable
from information_schema.columns
where table_schema = :schema
order by table_name, ordinal_position;
- Foreign keys (table-level dependencies)
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select
  tc.table_schema, tc.table_name, tc.constraint_name,
  kcu.column_name,
  ccu.table_schema as foreign_table_schema,
  ccu.table_name as foreign_table_name,
  ccu.column_name as foreign_column_name
from information_schema.table_constraints tc
join information_schema.key_column_usage kcu
  on tc.constraint_name = kcu.constraint_name and tc.table_schema = kcu.table_schema
join information_schema.constraint_column_usage ccu
  on ccu.constraint_name = tc.constraint_name and ccu.table_schema = tc.table_schema
where tc.constraint_type = 'FOREIGN KEY' and tc.table_schema = :schema
order by tc.table_name, tc.constraint_name, kcu.ordinal_position;
- Views that reference tables (view dependencies)
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select
  view_schema, view_name, table_schema, table_name
from information_schema.view_table_usage
where table_schema = :schema
order by view_schema, view_name, table_schema, table_name;
A single consolidated “size + usage” view per table
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with sizes as (
  select
    n.nspname as schema,
    c.relname as table,
    pg_total_relation_size(c.oid) as total_bytes
  from pg_class c
  join pg_namespace n on n.oid = c.relnamespace
  where c.relkind = 'r' and n.nspname = :schema
)
select
  s.schema,
  s.table,
  pg_size_pretty(s.total_bytes) as total_size,
  st.seq_scan, st.idx_scan,
  st.n_tup_ins, st.n_tup_upd, st.n_tup_del,
  st.last_autovacuum, st.last_autoanalyze
from sizes s
left join pg_stat_user_tables st
  on st.schemaname = s.schema and st.relname = s.table
order by s.total_bytes desc;
Run these from a Prefect 3.x flow using prefect-sqlalchemy - Install:
-
pip install prefect prefect-sqlalchemy sqlalchemy psycopg2-binary
- Docs: prefect-sqlalchemy docs Create and use a SqlAlchemyConnector block (keeps credentials out of code)
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from prefect_sqlalchemy import SqlAlchemyConnector

# Run once to create/save the block (or use the UI)
connector = SqlAlchemyConnector(
    connection_info="<postgresql+psycopg2://user:pass@host:5432/dbname>",
)
connector.save("my-postgres", overwrite=True)
Reusable Prefect tasks/flow to run any query
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from prefect import flow, task
from prefect_sqlalchemy import SqlAlchemyConnector

@task
def run_query(sql: str, params: dict | None = None) -> list[dict]:
    connector = SqlAlchemyConnector.load("my-postgres")
    with connector.get_connection(begin=False) as conn:
        res = conn.exec_driver_sql(sql, params or {})
        rows = res.fetchall()
        cols = res.keys()
    return [dict(zip(cols, r)) for r in rows]

@flow
def introspect(schema: str = "public"):
    tables = run_query.submit("""
        select table_schema, table_name
        from information_schema.tables
        where table_type='BASE TABLE' and table_schema = :schema
        order by 1,2
    """, {"schema": schema})

    sizes = run_query.submit("""
        select n.nspname as table_schema, c.relname as table_name,
               pg_relation_size(c.oid) as table_bytes,
               pg_indexes_size(c.oid) as index_bytes,
               pg_total_relation_size(c.oid) as total_bytes
        from pg_class c join pg_namespace n on n.oid = c.relnamespace
        where c.relkind = 'r' and n.nspname = :schema
    """, {"schema": schema})

    stats = run_query.submit("""
        select schemaname as table_schema, relname as table_name,
               seq_scan, idx_scan, n_tup_ins, n_tup_upd, n_tup_del,
               last_autovacuum, last_autoanalyze
        from pg_stat_user_tables
        where schemaname = :schema
    """, {"schema": schema})

    indexes = run_query.submit("""
        select schemaname as schema, tablename as table, indexname, indexdef
        from pg_indexes
        where schemaname = :schema
        order by tablename, indexname
    """, {"schema": schema})

    return {
        "tables": tables.result(),
        "sizes": sizes.result(),
        "stats": stats.result(),
        "indexes": indexes.result(),
    }

if __name__ == "__main__":
    introspect()
Notes and caveats - Stats freshness: pg_stat_* views rely on autovacuum/analyze. Run
ANALYZE
first if stats are stale. - Permissions: you’ll need privileges to read catalog views and schemas. - “Last access time” per table is not tracked directly. You can approximate usage with seq_scan/idx_scan, or use query logging/pg_stat_statements (requires enabling the extension) to get top queries, not table-level hits. - For dependencies in functions/stored procedures, deeper catalog queries using pg_depend/pg_proc can help; tell me if you need that specifically. Helpful references - Postgres stats views: Monitoring Stats - pg_stat_user_tables: Table statistics view - Index stats: Index statistics - Size functions: Database size functions - Prefect SQLAlchemy integration: prefect-sqlalchemy docs If you share which of the above outputs you need (and your schema/database), I can provide a focused query or a ready-made Prefect flow that exports the results to CSV/Parquet and schedules it.
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Please tell me about the tables in postgressql for prefect
@Marvin Please tell me about the tables in postgressql for prefect
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thought for 77.5 seconds
Do you mean the tables Prefect creates in its own Postgres database (for the Prefect API/server)? Assuming Prefect 3.x, here’s a concise map of the main tables and what they store. Core runs and states - flows / flow_runs — flow definitions and individual runs - flow_run_states — history of state transitions for each flow run - task_runs — individual task run records within a flow run - task_run_states — history of state transitions for each task run - logs — emitted logs for flow/task runs Deployments and scheduling - deployments — saved, runnable copies of flows - deployment_schedules — schedule rules attached to deployments Workers, work pools, and queues - work_pools — pools that define how/where work is executed - work_queues — queues inside a pool that broker scheduled runs - workers — registered workers/heartbeats for pools/queues Blocks (configuration) - block_types — types of blocks (e.g., S3, Azure, SQL) - block_schemas — Pydantic/JSON schema for each block type/version - block_schema_references — schema reference links between blocks - block_documents — concrete, saved block instances - block_document_references — references between block documents Artifacts and variables - artifacts — user-created artifacts (tables, links, markdown, etc.) - artifact_collections — group latest versions of artifacts by key - variables — key/value variables available to flows Concurrency and saved searches - concurrency_limits — legacy tag-based concurrency limits - concurrency_limits_v2 — current, lease-based concurrency limits - saved_searches — saved UI/API searches for runs and objects Automations and events - automations — configured automations (triggers + actions) - automation_buckets — internal state for trigger evaluation - automation_related_resources — resources tied to automations - composite_trigger_child_firings — evaluation bookkeeping - automation_event_followers — follower tracking for event streams - events — recorded events (e.g., state changes) - event_resources — resources referenced by events Misc/system - configurations — server-side configuration storage - csrf_tokens — CSRF tokens for the UI/API - agents — legacy (2.x era); present for compatibility but unused in 3.x How to enumerate what’s in your database right now - List all Prefect tables in public schema:
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select table_name
from information_schema.tables
where table_schema = 'public'
order by table_name;
- Quick row counts for all tables:
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select
  relname as table_name,
  n_live_tup as estimated_rows
from pg_stat_user_tables
order by estimated_rows desc;
- Sizes (table + indexes):
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select
  relname as table_name,
  pg_size_pretty(pg_total_relation_size(relid)) as total_size
from pg_catalog.pg_statio_user_tables
order by pg_total_relation_size(relid) desc;
Where this schema comes from - ORM model definitions (authoritative list of tables/columns): prefect/server/database/orm_models.py - Alembic migrations (history of schema changes): migrations/versions Clarifications that help me tailor more detail - Are you on Prefect Cloud or self-hosting Prefect Server with Postgres? - Do you want specific columns/relationships for certain tables (I can share targeted column lists/ERD-style notes)? - Do you want sample queries to join across flows/runs/states/logs for reporting?
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@Marvin the worker process ,workers and worker queue how is this working internally.how a worker is taking the work.it it based on any fifo ,lifo manner
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@Marvin the worker process ,workers and worker queue how is this working internally.how a worker is taking the work.it it based on any fifo ,lifo manner
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Great question! Here’s how it works in Prefect 3.x (workers, worker process, and work queues), and how a worker decides which “work” to pick up. High-level pieces - Work Pool: A logical channel where the Prefect server collects flow runs that need to be executed. - Worker: A process you start (e.g.,
prefect worker start --pool my-pool
) that polls a work pool and launches infrastructure (process, Docker, Kubernetes, etc.) to execute flow runs. - Work Queues (optional): Named sub-routes under a pool that let you shard/route flow runs. In 3.x, queues primarily filter which runs are eligible for a worker; they do not change the ordering. What actually happens internally 1) Polling and reservations - Each worker loops, asking the server for runs with something equivalent to “get scheduled flow runs” for its work pool (optionally filtered to specific work queues). - The API returns at most “capacity” runs and marks them reserved for that specific worker, so two workers don’t pick the same run at the same time. Reservations have a short lease; if a worker dies or can’t start the run, the lease expires and another worker can reserve it. - Link: REST: get scheduled flow runs - Concept links: - Work pools (concepts) - Workers (concepts) 2) Ordering (FIFO/LIFO?) - There is no user-facing LIFO knob. Practically, the server returns eligible runs ordered by their scheduled start time (earliest first). - If a run is “late” (scheduled in the past), it’s just an earlier scheduled time — so it will tend to be picked first. - Work queues do not change ordering; they just filter which runs are considered eligible for a worker. 3) Concurrency and capacity - Worker capacity: A worker only requests as many runs as it can execute concurrently, based on its configuration. It won’t over-reserve. - Work pool concurrency: Pools can have a global concurrency limit. If the pool is at its limit, additional runs won’t be given out to workers until slots free up. - CLI (verified):
prefect work-pool set-concurrency-limit "my-pool" 10
- Tag-based concurrency limits: If you use tag-based concurrency, runs that would exceed a tag’s limit will remain Scheduled and won’t be handed out to workers until slots are available. - Link: Tag-based concurrency limits 4) Fairness across multiple workers - Multiple workers polling the same pool each get “up to their capacity” of the earliest-eligible runs. Reservations prevent double-picking. - There’s no explicit global “fairness” policy beyond earliest scheduled time and the natural effect of multiple workers polling concurrently. 5) Late runs and retries - Late runs are picked first because they have the earliest scheduled time. - If a run can’t start due to concurrency limits (pool or tag), it remains Scheduled and will be retried by the server’s scheduler until it becomes eligible. CLI you’ll use - Start a worker: -
prefect worker start --pool my-pool
- Optionally limit to specific queues:
prefect worker start --pool my-pool --work-queue high-priority --work-queue default
- Manage a pool’s concurrency: -
prefect work-pool set-concurrency-limit "my-pool" 10
-
prefect work-pool clear-concurrency-limit "my-pool"
Key docs and references - Workers: Workers (concepts) - Work Pools: Work pools (concepts) - API (server): Get scheduled flow runs - Tag concurrency: Tag-based concurrency limits
If you’re looking for a specific scheduling behavior (e.g., strict priority tiers between queues), tell me more about your use case and we can recommend a setup with queues, tags, or separate pools to get the behavior you want.
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@Marvin from a flow how can I call a task using multithreading
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thought for 760.9 seconds
In Prefect 3.x, the easiest way to run tasks concurrently with multithreading is to use a thread-based task runner on your flow and call tasks with
.submit(...)
. Basic threaded concurrency - Configure your flow with
ThreadPoolTaskRunner
- Call tasks with
.submit()
to schedule them concurrently - Collect results from the returned
PrefectFuture
objects Example (I/O-bound work, e.g., HTTP calls)
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from prefect import flow, task
from prefect.task_runners import ThreadPoolTaskRunner

@task
def fetch_one(i):
    # do some I/O (HTTP, DB, etc.)
    return f"result-{i}"

@flow(task_runner=ThreadPoolTaskRunner(max_workers=10))
def my_flow():
    futures = [fetch_one.submit(i) for i in range(20)]
    results = [f.result() for f in futures]
    print(results)

if __name__ == "__main__":
    my_flow()
Notes - Calling
fetch_one(i)
runs synchronously; use
fetch_one.submit(i)
for concurrency. -
max_workers
controls the thread pool size (tune for your workload). - This approach is best for I/O-bound tasks (HTTP, DB, file I/O). CPU-bound work If your task is CPU-bound, prefer the process-based runner to sidestep the GIL:
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from prefect import flow, task
from prefect.task_runners import ProcessPoolTaskRunner

@task
def heavy_compute(x):
    return x * x  # pretend this is CPU-heavy

@flow(task_runner=ProcessPoolTaskRunner(max_workers=4))
def my_cpu_flow():
    futures = [heavy_compute.submit(i) for i in range(8)]
    results = [f.result() for f in futures]
    print(results)
Common tips - Retries: Define on the task, e.g.
@task(retries=3, retry_delay_seconds=5)
. - Thread safety: Ensure your task code (and libraries) can safely run in parallel threads. - Don’t hide work in your own threads: Prefer
.submit()
so Prefect can track, retry, and log properly. Spawning your own threads inside a task bypasses orchestration. Docs - Task runners overview: Task runners (Prefect 3.x) If you share your workload (I/O-bound vs CPU-bound, expected concurrency), I can suggest a
max_workers
and runner choice tailored to your case.