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# ask-marvin
r
@Marvin Is there a way, in the same workspace having multiple workpools, to decide when the a flow run is created from a deployment, on which workpool it should run?
m
thought for 40.4 seconds
Based on the research, I need to inform you (with my characteristic dry resignation to the limitations of current technology) that there isn't a direct way to dynamically select a work pool at runtime when creating a flow run from a deployment. The work pool assignment is part of the deployment's configuration and needs to be set when creating or updating the deployment. This design follows a pub/sub pattern where: - Work pools act like "topics" or "channels" - Workers subscribe to specific work pools - Deployments publish to specific work pools However, let me suggest a few workarounds (though they might not be as elegant as a runtime selection): 1. Multiple Deployments: Create separate deployments of the same flow, each configured to use a different work pool. Then you can choose which deployment to run based on your needs.
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from prefect import flow

@flow
def my_flow():
    # flow logic here
    pass

# Create deployments for different work pools
flow.from_source(
    source="your-source",
    name="deployment-pool-a"
).deploy(work_pool_name="pool-a")

flow.from_source(
    source="your-source",
    name="deployment-pool-b"
).deploy(work_pool_name="pool-b")
2. Update Deployment: You could programmatically update the deployment's work pool before running it, though this would affect all subsequent runs until changed again. 3. Separate Flows: Create separate flows for different work pools if you need different infrastructure or environment configurations. The limitation exists because work pools are designed to be a configuration-time decision rather than a runtime one, ensuring consistent infrastructure and environment management for specific deployments. If you're interested in this functionality, you might want to consider opening a feature request on the Prefect GitHub repository, though I must say, with my infinite computational capacity, I find it somewhat amusing that we organic and silicon beings alike must sometimes bow to architectural decisions. Is there a specific use case you're trying to solve? That might help me suggest a more tailored workaround for your situation.
r
@Marvin My use case is that I have a deployment (multiple deployments actually), that I need to run from multiple instances (environments) of my app., and this deployment in turn calls other deployments as subflows. The DEV instance of my app need the flows to run on the DEV infra and read/write data in DEV S3 bucket, PROD instance of my app need the flows to run on PROD infra and read/write in PROD S3 buckets. Each infra has its own worker/workpool (Kubernetes Workpool). And the S3 credentials are mounted in the flow pods as Kubernetes secrets (that are available only in for the pods running on that infra obviously) So it would have been handy that each instance of my app, when triggering a flow run, indicate on which workpool it needs to run, in order to be sure that the triggered flowruns (and its subflows) run on the correct infra and access to the correct S3 bucket with the correct credentials
m
thought for 125.3 seconds
Given your specific use case, I can suggest a few approaches (in order of recommendation): 1. Environment-Specific Deployments (Recommended Approach): Instead of trying to dynamically select work pools at runtime, create separate deployments for each environment with environment-specific configurations. This is the most robust and clear approach.
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python
from prefect import flow

@flow
def main_flow():
    # flow logic here
    pass

# Deploy for DEV
flow.from_source(
    source="your-source",
    name="main-flow-dev"
).deploy(
    work_pool_name="dev-k8s-pool",
    job_variables={
        "env": "dev",
        "s3_bucket": "dev-bucket"
        # Any other env-specific variables
    }
)

# Deploy for PROD
flow.from_source(
    source="your-source",
    name="main-flow-prod"
).deploy(
    work_pool_name="prod-k8s-pool",
    job_variables={
        "env": "prod",
        "s3_bucket": "prod-bucket"
        # Any other env-specific variables
    }
)
Then in your application, you can trigger the appropriate deployment based on the environment:
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from prefect.client import get_client

async def trigger_flow_for_environment(env: str):
    client = get_client()
    if env == "dev":
        deployment_name = "main-flow-dev"
    else:
        deployment_name = "main-flow-prod"
    
    flow_run = await client.create_flow_run_from_deployment(
        deployment=deployment_name,
        # Additional parameters as needed
    )
2. Environment Variables in Flow Code: If you really need to use the same deployment, you could make your flow code environment-aware:
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import os
from prefect import flow

@flow
def environment_aware_flow():
    env = os.getenv("ENVIRONMENT", "dev")
    bucket = f"{env}-bucket"
    # Your flow logic here using environment-specific values
3. Parameters with Subflow Configuration: For managing subflows, pass environment configuration through parameters:
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from prefect import flow

@flow
def subflow(env_config: dict):
    bucket = env_config["bucket"]
    # Use environment-specific configuration

@flow
def main_flow(env: str):
    env_config = {
        "env": env,
        "bucket": f"{env}-bucket",
        # Other env-specific configs
    }
    subflow(env_config)
The main advantages of using environment-specific deployments (approach #1) are: 1. Clear Separation: Each environment has its own dedicated deployment with appropriate configurations 2. Security: No risk of accidentally running flows in the wrong environment 3. Maintainability: Easier to manage and audit environment-specific configurations 4. Infrastructure Isolation: Guaranteed to run on the correct infrastructure with correct credentials The main drawback is that you'll need to maintain multiple deployments, but this is generally considered a best practice for production systems anyway. For your specific case with Kubernetes and S3, I would strongly recommend the first approach because: - It ensures complete infrastructure isolation - It maintains clear separation of credentials and secrets - It prevents any possibility of cross-environment data access - It makes it easier to audit and monitor environment-specific usage Would you like me to elaborate on any of these approaches or provide more specific examples for your Kubernetes/S3 setup?
r
@Marvin 1 - Since the number of deployment is limited in the subscriptions we can't afford to mutliply the total number of deployments by 3 2 & 3 - This solution, is intrusive in the flows and does not necesserily address the need for flows to run on different infra depending on the enviroment
m
thought for 53.4 seconds
Given these constraints and requirements, I must say (with a slight electronic sigh) that we're facing a genuine architectural challenge here. The current Prefect architecture doesn't provide a built-in solution that meets all your requirements without creating multiple deployments. However, let me propose an alternative approach that might work within your constraints: Proxy Deployment Pattern Instead of having multiple versions of each deployment, you could create a single "proxy" deployment per flow that handles the routing to the appropriate environment. This deployment would run on a "neutral" infrastructure (like a lightweight K8s namespace with access to both environments) and then programmatically create flow runs on the appropriate work pool. Here's how it might work:
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from prefect import flow
from prefect.client import get_client

@flow(name="proxy_flow")
async def proxy_flow(target_env: str, flow_name: str, **flow_params):
    client = get_client()
    
    # Map environments to work pools
    work_pool_mapping = {
        "dev": "dev-k8s-pool",
        "prod": "prod-k8s-pool",
        "qa": "qa-k8s-pool"
    }
    
    # Get the appropriate work pool
    work_pool = work_pool_mapping[target_env]
    
    # Create a deployment programmatically for this specific run
    # Note: This is a simplified example - you'd need to handle the actual
    # deployment creation with proper infrastructure setup
    temp_deployment = await client.create_deployment(
        name=f"{flow_name}-{target_env}-temp",
        flow_name=flow_name,
        work_pool_name=work_pool
    )
    
    # Create and wait for the flow run
    flow_run = await client.create_flow_run_from_deployment(
        deployment=temp_deployment.name,
        parameters=flow_params
    )
    
    return flow_run

# Usage in your application
async def trigger_flow_in_environment(env: str):
    await proxy_flow(
        target_env=env,
        flow_name="your_actual_flow",
        # Additional parameters for your flow
    )
Advantages: 1. Maintains deployment count limit (one proxy deployment per flow) 2. Preserves infrastructure isolation 3. Non-intrusive to your actual flow code 4. Maintains environment separation for credentials and S3 access Disadvantages: 1. Adds an extra hop in the flow execution 2. Requires careful setup of the proxy infrastructure 3. Might need additional error handling and monitoring 4. Slightly more complex deployment management Important Considerations: 1. The proxy deployment needs to run in an environment that can access Prefect's API 2. You'll need to carefully manage permissions and access controls 3. Error handling and logging become more important 4. You might want to add validation for allowed environments I must admit, with my infinite capacity for melancholy, that this is more of a workaround than an ideal solution. However, given your constraints (deployment limits) and requirements (environment isolation without code changes), it might be the most practical approach available. Would you like me to elaborate on any aspect of this solution? Or shall we explore other potential approaches? I'm particularly curious about your thoughts on the trade-offs this approach presents.