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@Marvin prefect-ray seems to work if the private IP of the ray head node is passed to the RayTaskRunner. However, I want to update my ray cluster and my prefect flows independently (constantly changing private IP address). How do I make sure my prefect flows are always able to communicate with the ray head node even if the private IP changes?
m
thought for 29.5 seconds
I apologize, but I need to point out something important: The prefect-ray integration is currently not actively maintained and may have compatibility issues with newer versions of Prefect. However, I can suggest several approaches to handle your dynamic IP situation: 1. DNS Solution: - Instead of using the IP address directly, you could set up a DNS record (internal DNS if you're in a cloud environment) that points to your Ray head node - Update the DNS record whenever the IP changes - Use the DNS name instead of the IP address in your Prefect configuration - This provides a stable endpoint that doesn't change even when the IP does 2. Environment Variables: - Store the Ray head node IP in an environment variable - Update this environment variable when the IP changes - Configure your Prefect flows to read from this environment variable - This can be managed through your deployment platform (Kubernetes, ECS, etc.) 3. Prefect Block: - Create a custom block to store the Ray connection information - Update the block's value when the IP changes - Reference the block in your flows - This provides a centralized way to manage the connection information 4. Service Discovery: - If you're running in a cloud environment, consider using your cloud provider's service discovery mechanisms - For example, AWS Service Discovery or Kubernetes Service Discovery - This would automatically handle IP changes for you Given that you're dealing with this situation, I should also mention that you might want to consider alternatives to prefect-ray for distributed computing with Prefect: 1. Dask Integration: Prefect has better-maintained integration with Dask 2. Ray Directly: You could use Ray directly in your Prefect flows without the prefect-ray integration 3. Kubernetes: If you're already running in a containerized environment, Kubernetes might be a more robust solution Would you like me to provide more specific details about implementing any of these approaches? Also, it would be helpful to know: 1. What environment are you running in (cloud provider, on-prem, etc.)? 2. How frequently does your IP address change? 3. Are you using any particular deployment platform (Kubernetes, ECS, etc.)? This would help me provide more targeted recommendations for your specific use case.
s
@Marvin 1. Using AWS. 2. very frequently
m
thought for 17.1 seconds
Ah, since you're using AWS and dealing with frequently changing IPs, I can provide some AWS-specific recommendations that would be more robust than trying to work with prefect-ray directly. Here are the best approaches for your AWS environment, in order of recommendation: 1. AWS Service Discovery with Cloud Map - Create a service discovery namespace in AWS Cloud Map - Register your Ray head node as a service - Use the service discovery endpoint instead of IP address - AWS will automatically keep track of your instance's IP - Example service discovery URL format:
{service-name}.{namespace-name}.local
2. Route 53 Private DNS - Create a private hosted zone in Route 53 - Use an A record with TTL set to 60 seconds (or lower) - Update the record using AWS SDK when IP changes - Example Python code to update DNS:
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import boto3

def update_ray_dns(new_ip, zone_id, record_name):
    route53 = boto3.client('route53')
    response = route53.change_resource_record_sets(
        HostedZoneId=zone_id,
        ChangeBatch={
            'Changes': [
                {
                    'Action': 'UPSERT',
                    'ResourceRecordSet': {
                        'Name': record_name,
                        'Type': 'A',
                        'TTL': 60,
                        'ResourceRecords': [{'Value': new_ip}]
                    }
                }
            ]
        }
    )
    return response
3. AWS Systems Manager Parameter Store - Store the Ray head node IP in Parameter Store - Update it automatically when the IP changes - Read it in your Prefect flows - Example implementation:
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from prefect import flow
import boto3

def get_ray_head_ip():
    ssm = boto3.client('ssm')
    response = ssm.get_parameter(Name='/ray/head-node-ip')
    return response['Parameter']['Value']

@flow
def your_flow():
    ray_ip = get_ray_head_ip()
    # Use ray_ip to connect to Ray cluster
4. EC2 Tags + Instance Metadata - Tag your Ray head node instance - Query EC2 API to find the instance by tag and get its current IP - Example implementation:
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import boto3

def get_ray_head_ip_by_tag():
    ec2 = boto3.client('ec2')
    response = ec2.describe_instances(
        Filters=[
            {
                'Name': 'tag:Role',
                'Values': ['ray-head-node']
            },
            {
                'Name': 'instance-state-name',
                'Values': ['running']
            }
        ]
    )
    # Get the private IP of the first matching instance
    return response['Reservations'][0]['Instances'][0]['PrivateIpAddress']
Additional AWS-specific Recommendations: 1. Consider using AWS Auto Scaling Groups for your Ray cluster with: - A fixed ASG of size 1 for the head node - A dynamic ASG for worker nodes - This provides better reliability and automatic recovery 2. Use AWS Launch Templates to: - Automatically configure Ray on instance startup - Set up necessary tags - Configure networking 3. Consider using AWS ECS or EKS instead: - Both provide built-in service discovery - Better container orchestration - More predictable networking - Easier scaling and management Given that you're dealing with frequently changing IPs, I would strongly recommend either: 1. Service Discovery with Cloud Map (most robust solution) 2. Route 53 Private DNS (simple but effective) Would you like me to provide more detailed implementation steps for either of these approaches? Also, it would be helpful to know: 1. Are you using EC2 directly, or are you using any container orchestration (ECS/EKS)? 2. How is your Ray cluster currently being deployed and managed? This would help me provide more specific guidance tailored to your setup.
s
@Marvin will AWS Service Discovery with Cloud Map be able to fetch private IP? Also options 3 and 4 sound better than option 2.
m
thought for 22.2 seconds
Yes! AWS Cloud Map Service Discovery can absolutely work with private IPs - in fact, it's one of its primary use cases for internal service discovery. When you register an instance with Cloud Map, you can specify whether to use the private or public IP, and for internal AWS networking, you'll typically want the private IP. Since you're interested in options 3 (Parameter Store) and 4 (EC2 Tags), let me provide more detailed implementations for both approaches: ### Option 3: AWS Systems Manager Parameter Store This approach is simple and reliable. Here's a complete implementation:
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from prefect import flow, task
import boto3
from typing import Optional

class RayClusterConfig:
    def __init__(self, region_name: str = "us-east-1"):
        self.ssm = boto3.client('ssm', region_name=region_name)
        self.parameter_name = "/ray/head-node-ip"
    
    def get_head_ip(self) -> str:
        try:
            response = self.ssm.get_parameter(Name=self.parameter_name)
            return response['Parameter']['Value']
        except self.ssm.exceptions.ParameterNotFound:
            raise ValueError(f"Ray head node IP not found in Parameter Store at {self.parameter_name}")
    
    def update_head_ip(self, new_ip: str) -> None:
        self.ssm.put_parameter(
            Name=self.parameter_name,
            Value=new_ip,
            Type='String',
            Overwrite=True
        )

@task
def get_ray_connection() -> str:
    config = RayClusterConfig()
    return config.get_head_ip()

@flow
def your_ray_flow():
    ray_ip = get_ray_connection()
    # Use ray_ip to connect to Ray cluster
    print(f"Connected to Ray cluster at {ray_ip}")
To automatically update the Parameter Store when your IP changes, you could add this to your Ray head node's user data script or run it as a cron job:
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import boto3
import requests
from time import sleep

def get_current_private_ip():
    # Get instance metadata
    response = requests.get('<http://169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/local-ipv4>')
    return response.text

def update_loop():
    config = RayClusterConfig()
    while True:
        current_ip = get_current_private_ip()
        try:
            config.update_head_ip(current_ip)
        except Exception as e:
            print(f"Failed to update IP: {e}")
        sleep(60)  # Check every minute

if __name__ == "__main__":
    update_loop()
### Option 4: EC2 Tags This approach is more dynamic as it queries EC2 directly. Here's a robust implementation: ```python from prefect import flow, task import boto3 from typing import Optional from botocore.exceptions import ClientError class RayClusterDiscovery: def __init__(self, region_name: str = "us-east-1"): self.ec2 = boto3.client('ec2', region_name=region_name) self.tag_key = 'RayClusterRole' self.tag_value = 'head-node' def get_head_node_ip(self) -> str: try: response = self.ec2.describe_instances( Filters=[ { 'Name': f'tag:{self.tag_key}', 'Values': [self.tag_value] }, { 'Name': 'instance-state-name', 'Values': ['running'] } ] ) reservations = response['Reservations'] if not reservations or not reservations[0]['Instances']: raise ValueError("No running Ray head node found") # Get the first matching instance's private IP instance = reservations[0]['Instances'][0] return instance['PrivateIpAddress'] except ClientError as e: raise Exception(f"Failed to query EC2: {str(e)}") @task(retries=3, retry_delay_seconds=10) def get_ray_head_ip() -> str: discovery = RayClusterDiscovery() return discovery.get_head_node_ip() @flow def your_ray_flow():
ray_ip = get_ray_head_ip() # Use ray_ip to connect to Ray cluster print(f"Connected to Ray cluster at {ray_ip}")
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To set up the EC2 instance tags, make sure your Ray head node is tagged appropriately:
```bash
aws ec2 create-tags --resources i-1234567890abcdef0 --tags Key=RayClusterRole,Value=head-node
### Key Advantages of These Approaches: Parameter Store (Option 3): - Very simple to implement - Can be accessed from anywhere in AWS (even across accounts with proper IAM) - Includes versioning history - Can use parameter policies for additional validation - Lower latency than EC2 API calls EC2 Tags (Option 4): - Always reflects the current state - No need for additional update scripts - Works well with auto-scaling groups - Can include additional metadata in tags - More flexible for complex setups ### Required IAM Permissions: For Parameter Store:
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{
    "Version": "2012-10-17",
    "Statement": [
        {
            "Effect": "Allow",
            "Action": [
                "ssm:GetParameter",
                "ssm:PutParameter"
            ],
            "Resource": "arn:aws:ssm:*:*:parameter/ray/*"
        }
    ]
}
For EC2 Tags:
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{
    "Version": "2012-10-17",
    "Statement": [
        {
            "Effect": "Allow",
            "Action": [
                "ec2:DescribeInstances"
            ],
            "Resource": "*"
        }
    ]
}
Would you like me to elaborate on any part of these implementations? Also, which approach would you prefer to pursue? I can provide more specific details about error handling, retry strategies, or other aspects you might be interested in.
s
@Marvin are you sure that using boto3 would work because apparently the code in @flow decorator is executed during deployment. And If we could do that, we would simply use some env var for that?
m
thought for 62.7 seconds
Based on this research, here's the correct way to handle dynamic Ray connection information in Prefect 3.x: 1. Using Prefect Blocks (Recommended Approach):
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from prefect import flow
from prefect.blocks.system import Secret

@flow
def your_ray_flow():
    # This gets evaluated at runtime, not deployment time
    ray_ip_secret = Secret.load("ray-head-ip")
    ray_ip = ray_ip_secret.get()
    # Use ray_ip to connect to Ray cluster
You would then manage the Secret block through the Prefect UI or CLI:
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prefect block register -m prefect.blocks.system
2. Using Work Pool Infrastructure Configuration: In your `prefect.yaml`:
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deployments:
  ray-deployment:
    name: ray-deployment
    work_pool:
      name: your-work-pool
      work_queue: default
    flow:
      path: ./your_flow.py:your_ray_flow
Then you can use work pool infrastructure overrides to set the Ray connection information, which will be evaluated at runtime. 3. Using Variables in Work Pool Infrastructure: You can define variables in your work pool infrastructure that will be resolved at runtime. This is particularly useful when working with AWS infrastructure. Here's a more complete example putting it all together:
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from prefect import flow, task
from prefect.blocks.system import Secret

@task
def get_ray_connection():
    # This gets evaluated at runtime
    ray_ip_secret = Secret.load("ray-head-ip")
    return ray_ip_secret.get()

@flow
def your_ray_flow():
    ray_ip = get_ray_connection()
    # Use ray_ip to connect to Ray cluster
To update the Ray head IP, you would need a separate process (like a Lambda function or EC2 user data script) that: 1. Gets the current IP 2. Updates the Prefect Secret block using the Prefect API
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# This would run on your Ray head node or as a Lambda
from prefect.client.cloud import get_client
from prefect.blocks.system import Secret

async def update_ray_ip(new_ip: str):
    async with get_client() as client:
        secret_block = await Secret.load("ray-head-ip")
        secret_block.value = new_ip
        await secret_block.save()
This approach ensures that: - The IP lookup happens at runtime, not deployment time - The configuration is centrally managed through Prefect - You can update the IP without redeploying your flows - The secret is stored securely Would you like me to provide more details about: 1. Setting up the Secret block initially? 2. Creating an automated process to update the IP? 3. Alternative approaches using work pool infrastructure configurations?
s
@Marvin but my questions is, cant the prefect flow pick up dynamic things when its actually being run or 'created'
m
thought for 7.0 seconds
Yes, absolutely! I apologize for overcomplicating this. You're right - Prefect flows can indeed pick up dynamic values at runtime through environment variables or other runtime configurations. I got carried away with more complex solutions when a simple approach would work. Here's the straightforward way:
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from prefect import flow
import os

@flow
def your_ray_flow():
    # This will be evaluated when the flow actually runs
    ray_ip = os.getenv("RAY_HEAD_IP")
    if not ray_ip:
        raise ValueError("RAY_HEAD_IP environment variable not set")
    # Use ray_ip to connect to Ray cluster
When this flow runs, it will pick up whatever value is in the environment variable at runtime. This is much simpler than my previous suggestions and would work perfectly fine. You can set the environment variable: 1. In your worker environment 2. Through your deployment infrastructure 3. Through your container configuration 4. Or any other method that sets environment variables for the process This is exactly what you were getting at - the flow code inside the decorator is executed at runtime, so it can access current environment variables and other runtime configurations. I apologize for not directly addressing this simpler solution earlier! Would you like me to explain more about how to set these environment variables in different deployment scenarios (Docker, Kubernetes, etc.)?
s
@Marvin so cant it run boto3 and get ray head node ip that way?
m
thought for 7.3 seconds
Yes, absolutely it can! I was completely overthinking it earlier. Since the code inside the flow runs at execution time, using boto3 to fetch the Ray head node IP dynamically will work perfectly fine. Here's the straightforward solution:
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from prefect import flow
import boto3

@flow
def your_ray_flow():
    # This entire block executes at runtime
    ec2 = boto3.client('ec2')
    response = ec2.describe_instances(
        Filters=[
            {
                'Name': 'tag:RayClusterRole',
                'Values': ['head-node']
            },
            {
                'Name': 'instance-state-name',
                'Values': ['running']
            }
        ]
    )
    
    if not response['Reservations'] or not response['Reservations'][0]['Instances']:
        raise ValueError("No running Ray head node found")
    
    ray_ip = response['Reservations'][0]['Instances'][0]['PrivateIpAddress']
    # Use ray_ip to connect to Ray cluster
This will: 1. Run when the flow executes 2. Use the AWS credentials available in the runtime environment 3. Dynamically fetch the current IP of your Ray head node Just make sure the environment where the flow runs has: 1. The necessary AWS credentials configured 2. The required IAM permissions to describe EC2 instances 3. Network access to make AWS API calls Thank you for the push to simplify - this is much cleaner than my previous overcomplicated suggestions!
s
@Marvin someone said they tried it and it did not work
m
thought for 41.4 seconds
Since someone reported this not working, and we're getting mixed signals from the research, let me ask you some clarifying questions: 1. When they tried it and it didn't work, what specific error did they encounter? 2. Were they using a deployment or running the flow directly? 3. What version of Prefect were they using? This information would help us understand exactly what's going wrong. There might be specific serialization issues we need to address, or perhaps the way boto3 was being used needs to be structured differently. In the meantime, here are a few potential workarounds we could try: 1. Move the boto3 code into a task instead of the flow:
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from prefect import flow, task

@task
def get_ray_ip():
    ec2 = boto3.client('ec2')
    response = ec2.describe_instances(...)
    return response['Reservations'][0]['Instances'][0]['PrivateIpAddress']

@flow
def your_ray_flow():
    ray_ip = get_ray_ip()
    # Use ray_ip
2. Use a Prefect AWS block (which is specifically designed to handle AWS interactions):
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from prefect_aws import AwsCredentials
from prefect import flow

@flow
def your_ray_flow():
    aws_credentials = AwsCredentials.load("default")
    ec2 = aws_credentials.get_boto3_client("ec2")
    # Rest of the code
3. Initialize boto3 inside a context manager or function:
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from prefect import flow
from contextlib import contextmanager

@contextmanager
def get_ec2_client():
    import boto3
    yield boto3.client('ec2')

@flow
def your_ray_flow():
    with get_ec2_client() as ec2:
        response = ec2.describe_instances(...)
Could you share more details about the specific failure they encountered? This would help us identify the exact issue and find the right solution.