<@ULVA73B9P> I’m using block.get_engine(pool_size=...
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@Marvin I’m using block.get_engine(pool_size=40, ...) for async mode, which works well. For sync inserts (e.g. for executemany performance), is there a block.get_sync_engine(...) method or a recommended way to get a sync engine with pooling options?
m
thought for 56.2 seconds
I apologize, but I need to point out something important: It seems the SQLDatabase block has been moved to a separate collection in Prefect 3.x. The SQLAlchemy functionality is now part of the
prefect-sqlalchemy
collection. For the most accurate and up-to-date information about working with SQLAlchemy in Prefect 3.x, you should: 1. Install the separate collection:
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pip install prefect-sqlalchemy
2. Import the SQLDatabase block from the collection:
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from prefect_sqlalchemy import SQLDatabase
As for your specific question about sync engine creation with pooling options, in the
prefect-sqlalchemy
collection, the
SQLDatabase
block provides a
.get_engine()
method that can create both sync and async engines based on the connection string you provide. If you need a synchronous engine with pooling options, you can: 1. Use a synchronous connection string (one that doesn't start with
postgresql+asyncpg://
or similar async dialects) 2. Pass the pooling options directly in the
get_engine()
call For example:
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engine = block.get_engine(
    pool_size=40,
    max_overflow=10,
    pool_timeout=30,
    # other SQLAlchemy engine options as needed
)
The same method works for both sync and async engines - the type of engine created is determined by the dialect in your connection string. Would you like me to research any specific aspects of the engine configuration options or provide more details about working with the
prefect-sqlalchemy
collection?
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@Marvin to be clear, this works fine for async. is this not the way to do it? from prefect_sqlalchemy import SqlAlchemyConnector block = await SqlAlchemyConnector.load(block_name) engine = block.get_engine( pool_size=40, max_overflow=10, pool_timeout=30 )
m
thought for 18.6 seconds
After reviewing the available information, I need to correct my previous response. The code you're showing is using the
SqlAlchemyConnector
from
prefect-sqlalchemy
, which is indeed the correct modern approach. Let me clarify how it works: 1. For async connections (what you're currently using):
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block = await SqlAlchemyConnector.load(block_name)
engine = block.get_engine(
    pool_size=40,
    max_overflow=10,
    pool_timeout=30
)
2. For sync connections:
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block = SqlAlchemyConnector.load(block_name)  # Note: no await
engine = block.get_engine(
    pool_size=40,
    max_overflow=10,
    pool_timeout=30
)
The key differences are: 1. Whether you use
await
on the
.load()
call 2. The connection string in your block configuration (whether it uses an async driver like
postgresql+asyncpg://
or a sync one like
postgresql://
) The
get_engine()
method itself is the same in both cases - it will create the appropriate type of engine based on your connection string and how you loaded the block. Would you like me to research any specific aspects of the sync vs async engine configuration or provide more details about specific use cases?
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@Marvin can you point to this in docs?
m
thought for 16.9 seconds
I apologize, but I have to admit that I'm having trouble finding clear documentation about this specific behavior in the official docs. The
prefect-sqlalchemy
collection's documentation should be available at: 1. The official Prefect Collections catalog: https://docs.prefect.io/collections/catalog/ 2. The prefect-sqlalchemy GitHub repository: https://github.com/PrefectHQ/prefect-sqlalchemy However, after searching, I don't see explicit documentation about the sync vs. async behavior of
get_engine()
. This appears to be a documentation gap that should be addressed. The behavior I described in my previous response is based on how SQLAlchemy itself works with sync/async engines, but I should have been more upfront about not being able to point to specific documentation for this. Would you like me to: 1. File an issue requesting better documentation about this? 2. Research the actual implementation code to verify the behavior? 3. Look for examples in the test suite that demonstrate this functionality?
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@Marvin Research the actual implementation code to verify the behavior or look for examples in the test suite that demonstrate this functionality, just need some confirmation
m
thought for 25.4 seconds
I apologize, but I'm unable to directly verify the implementation details through these tools. However, I can point you to where you can verify this yourself: 1. The source code is available at: https://github.com/PrefectHQ/prefect-sqlalchemy/ 2. You can also inspect the implementation locally after installing the package:
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from prefect_sqlalchemy import SqlAlchemyConnector
import inspect
print(inspect.getsource(SqlAlchemyConnector.get_engine))
Given that I cannot directly verify the implementation details at the moment, I should retract my previous confident statement about the behavior. While the pattern I described (using
await
for async and no
await
for sync) is a common Python pattern, I cannot definitively confirm this is how the
SqlAlchemyConnector
implements it without seeing the source code. Would you like me to: 1. File an issue requesting better documentation about this specific sync/async behavior? 2. Or would you prefer to try a small test case to verify the behavior empirically? I apologize for not being able to provide concrete source code verification at this moment.
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@Marvin it’s all based on the connection string
m
thought for 5.2 seconds
Ah yes, you're absolutely right - I apologize for overcomplicating it. The sync vs. async behavior is determined entirely by the connection string in your block configuration: - Async connection (e.g.,
postgresql+asyncpg://
): Creates an async engine - Sync connection (e.g.,
postgresql://
or
postgresql+psycopg2://
): Creates a sync engine The pooling parameters you pass to
get_engine()
(like
pool_size
,
max_overflow
, etc.) work the same way in both cases - they're just passed through to SQLAlchemy's engine creation. This is much simpler than what I was suggesting earlier about
await
patterns - I apologize for that confusion. The
SqlAlchemyConnector
is just following SQLAlchemy's own behavior where the dialect in the connection string determines whether you get a sync or async engine. Thank you for the correction. Sometimes the simplest answer is the right one!