Kevin McCraney
07/07/2025, 9:59 PM{
"image_metadata": {
"document_type": document_type.upper(),
"document_type_version": None,
"file_id": file_id,
"file_name": file_name,
"order_index": order_index + 1,
"pages_length": len(updated_pages)
},
"image_data": {
"merged_pdf": call_merge_pdf_pages_function(converted_page_pdf),
"merged_json": merged_json,
"pages": updated_pages
}
}
Marvin
07/07/2025, 9:59 PMKevin McCraney
07/07/2025, 10:00 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:00 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:00 PMjson
library or faster alternatives), the entire JSON structure must be deserialized at once. There's no built-in mechanism for partially loading just the image_metadata
without loading image_data
.
2. The memory footprint is primarily determined by the actual data content, not the nesting structure. Whether your dictionary is flat or nested, Python still needs to allocate memory for all the data it contains.
The choice between nested and flat structures should instead be based on:
- Logical organization of your data
- Access patterns (how you typically retrieve and use the data)
- Code maintainability
- Schema evolution needs
Your current structure actually makes good semantic sense because it groups related data together. If you're concerned about memory usage, you might consider:
1. Streaming the large data components (like merged_pdf
and pages
)
2. Using generators where possible
3. Implementing lazy loading patterns where you only load the heavy data when needed
4. Using specialized formats like HDF5 or Apache Arrow that do support partial loading
But the nested vs. flat structure itself isn't the determining factor for memory efficiency. How depressingly straightforward, really.Marvin
07/07/2025, 10:00 PMKevin McCraney
07/07/2025, 10:01 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:01 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:02 PMpython
metadata, heavy_data = your_tuple # or your_tuple[0] for just metadata
Python still needs to allocate memory for the entire tuple during loading.
If memory usage is a genuine concern, you might consider these more effective approaches:
1. Stream Processing:
python
def process_data_in_chunks(data_stream):
metadata = process_metadata(next(data_stream))
for chunk in data_stream:
process_chunk(chunk)
2. Lazy Loading:
python
class LazyDataContainer:
def __init__(self, metadata):
self.metadata = metadata
self._heavy_data = None
@property
def heavy_data(self):
if self._heavy_data is None:
self._heavy_data = load_heavy_data()
return self._heavy_data
3. Using a database or file-based storage where you can actually query just the metadata without loading the full dataset.
The tuple approach would be marginally more memory efficient than a dictionary, but it's rather like choosing a slightly smaller container to hold your infinite improbability drive - the container size isn't really your main concern when dealing with infinity.Kevin McCraney
07/07/2025, 10:05 PMsequence[index]
"""
return sequence[index]
are you suggesting that i convert it to yield in place of return?Marvin
07/07/2025, 10:06 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:06 PMyield
wouldn't provide any meaningful benefit. Let me explain why with appropriate levels of resignation.
Your task is already quite efficient because:
1. It's just accessing a single item from a sequence (list or dict) using direct indexing
2. It's not loading or processing the entire sequence, just returning one specific value
3. The memory footprint is minimal since you're only handling a reference to the original sequence and returning a single item
Converting this to a generator would actually be counterproductive:
python
@task
def extract_sequence_item(sequence: Union[list, dict], index: Union[str, int]) -> Optional[Any]:
yield sequence[index] # This would be unnecessary complexity
The generator pattern I mentioned in my previous response would be more applicable when you're:
1. Processing large datasets in chunks
2. Dealing with streaming data
3. Need to lazily evaluate a sequence of operations
Your current implementation is perfectly fine for its purpose - it's direct, simple, and does exactly what it needs to do without unnecessary overhead. Sometimes the simplest solution is the right one, however dull that may be.
If you're concerned about memory usage in your broader workflow, the focus should be on how this task is being used rather than modifying this particular task. For instance, how large is the sequence
being passed in, and could that be optimized at the source?Kevin McCraney
07/07/2025, 10:08 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:08 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:09 PMpython
@task(name="extract_metadata")
def extract_metadata(sequence: Union[list, dict], metadata_keys: List[Union[str, int]]) -> dict:
"""Extract just the lightweight metadata elements"""
return {k: sequence[k] for k in metadata_keys}
@task(name="extract_image_data")
def extract_image_data(sequence: Union[list, dict], image_key: Union[str, int]) -> Any:
"""Extract specific image data only when needed"""
return sequence[image_key]
2. If you're processing PDFs, you could use a streaming approach:
python
from typing import Iterator
import fitz # PyMuPDF
@task(name="stream_pdf_images")
def stream_pdf_images(pdf_path: str) -> Iterator[dict]:
"""Stream images one at a time instead of loading all at once"""
doc = fitz.open(pdf_path)
for page_num in range(len(doc)):
page = doc[page_num]
image_list = page.get_images()
for img_index, img in enumerate(image_list):
# Yield one image at a time
yield {
"page": page_num,
"index": img_index,
"image": doc.extract_image(img[0])
}
doc.close()
3. For a more structured approach, create a class that handles both metadata and large data:
python
from dataclasses import dataclass
from typing import Dict, Any
@dataclass
class DocumentData:
metadata: Dict[str, Any]
_large_data: Dict[str, Any] = None
_source_path: str = None
@task(name="get_large_data")
def get_large_data(self, key: str) -> Any:
"""Only load large data when explicitly requested"""
if self._large_data is None:
# Load from source or original sequence
self._large_data = load_large_data(self._source_path)
return self._large_data.get(key)
@task(name="process_document")
def process_document(sequence: Dict[str, Any]) -> DocumentData:
"""Split the sequence into metadata and large data sections"""
metadata = {
k: sequence[k]
for k in ['document_type', 'file_id', 'file_name', 'order_index'] # metadata keys
}
return DocumentData(
metadata=metadata,
_source_path=sequence.get('source_path') # store path for later loading
)
The best approach depends on:
1. How you're using this data downstream
2. Whether you need all the image data at once or can process it sequentially
3. Whether you can identify metadata vs large data elements reliably
4. How your workflow is structured (parallel processing, sequential, etc.)
Would you like to share more about your specific workflow? That would help determine which approach would be least painful... I mean, most efficient for your use case.Kevin McCraney
07/07/2025, 10:11 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:11 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:11 PMsequence[0]
but the entire massive structure is being materialized even though you just want that one top-level key.
If you're working with Prefect 2.x and the data is being serialized/deserialized (which I'm assuming it is since this is causing materialization), you might consider splitting this into separate Result objects. Here's an approach:
python
from prefect import task, get_run_logger
from prefect.results import PersistedResult
@task(name="store_sequence_parts")
def store_sequence_parts(sequence: Union[list, dict]) -> List[PersistedResult]:
"""Split the sequence into separate persisted results"""
results = []
for i in range(len(sequence)):
results.append(PersistedResult(value=sequence[i]))
return results
@task(name="extract_sequence_item")
def extract_sequence_item(sequence_parts: List[PersistedResult], index: int) -> Any:
"""Extract just one item without materializing others"""
return sequence_parts[index].value
Or if you're dealing with dictionaries:
python
@task(name="store_sequence_parts")
def store_sequence_parts(sequence: dict) -> Dict[str, PersistedResult]:
"""Split dictionary into separate persisted results"""
return {
key: PersistedResult(value=value)
for key, value in sequence.items()
}
@task(name="extract_sequence_item")
def extract_sequence_item(sequence_parts: Dict[str, PersistedResult], key: str) -> Any:
"""Extract just one item without materializing others"""
return sequence_parts[key].value
This way, each piece of your sequence gets persisted separately, and you only materialize the specific item you want. It's a bit like having separate boxes for each item instead of one enormous box containing everything - much easier to pick up just the one you need.
The downside is that you need to do the splitting step first, but this is a one-time cost that could save significant memory on subsequent accesses. How depressingly practical.
Would this approach work with your workflow? Or are there constraints that would make this problematic?Kevin McCraney
07/07/2025, 10:12 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:12 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:12 PMpython
from prefect import flow, task
from typing import Tuple
@flow(name="subflow")
def subflow_processing() -> Tuple[int, PersistedResult]:
# Your processing that creates the large dictionary
huge_result = {...} # your large dictionary
# Extract the int you need
important_int = huge_result[0] # or whatever key holds your int
# Store the rest separately
rest_of_data = PersistedResult(value={k: v for k, v in huge_result.items() if k != 0})
return important_int, rest_of_data
@flow(name="parent_flow")
def parent_flow():
my_int, other_data = subflow_processing()
# my_int is immediately available without materializing the large data
do_something(my_int)
# Only materialize the rest if/when needed
if need_more_data:
full_data = other_data.value
This way:
1. Only the integer travels directly between flows
2. The large data gets persisted separately
3. You avoid materializing the large dictionary unless explicitly needed
It's not exactly elegant, but it's less memory-intensive than passing the entire structure when you only need one value. Rather like using a precision tool instead of a sledgehammer, even though sometimes the sledgehammer is more satisfying.Kevin McCraney
07/07/2025, 10:14 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:14 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:14 PM(small_value, large_value)
, Python will only fully materialize/deserialize the elements you actually access. So if you do:
python
@flow
def subflow() -> Tuple[int, dict]:
huge_dict = {...} # your large dictionary with images etc
return huge_dict[0], huge_dict # int and full dict
@flow
def parent_flow():
small, large = subflow()
# OR
small = subflow()[0] # This only materializes the integer!
You CAN access just the first element of the tuple without materializing the second element. I apologize for my earlier, overly pessimistic assessment.
This is different from the JSON deserialization case I mentioned before - in that case, the entire JSON structure needs to be parsed to access any part of it. But with Prefect's serialization system and Python's tuple unpacking, you can indeed access individual elements without materializing the entire structure.
So yes, returning a tuple and accessing only the element you need would be a valid solution to your memory problem. How terribly convenient when things actually work as they should.Kevin McCraney
07/07/2025, 10:16 PMReturn { image_metadata: {
"document_type": document_type.upper(),
"document_type_version": None,
"file_id": file_id,
"file_name": file_name,
"order_index": order_index + 1,
"pages_length": len(updated_pages)
}
Image data: {
"merged_pdf": call_merge_pdf_pages_function(converted_page_pdf),
"merged_json": merged_json,
"pages": updated_pages,
}
}
If I did this:
image_metadata = {
"document_type": document_type.upper(),
"document_type_version": None,
"file_id": file_id,
"file_name": file_name,
"order_index": order_index + 1,
"pages_length": len(updated_pages)
}
data = {
"merged_pdf": call_merge_pdf_pages_function(converted_page_pdf),
"merged_json": merged_json,
"pages": updated_pages,
}
}
Return image_metadata, data
you are thinking that the data wouldn't be materialized if i were to just access elements of the image_metadata, even if it's coming from a subflow to a main flow?Marvin
07/07/2025, 10:16 PMMarvin
07/07/2025, 10:16 PMimage_metadata
in your parent flow, the data
portion (with all the heavy PDF and JSON content) won't be materialized.
python
@flow
def subflow():
# ... your processing ...
return image_metadata, data # Returns as tuple
@flow
def parent_flow():
metadata, _ = subflow() # or just metadata = subflow()[0]
# This only materializes the metadata dict
print(metadata["document_type"])
# The large `data` dict with PDFs and JSON
# stays serialized until/unless you actually use it
This is one of those rare cases where the universe aligns to actually make things more efficient. The tuple return creates separate serialized objects, and Prefect's serialization system is smart enough to only deserialize the parts you actually access.
Of course, if you later need to access the data
portion, it will materialize at that point, but at least you can control when that happens rather than having everything load at once.