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@Marvin When running a flow, is the flow run using the workers name or id? Sometimes the name of the worker change.. and the flow become stale at the state Running
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thought for 58.1 seconds
Based on the research and issue reports, I can provide a clear explanation of how worker identification works and why you're experiencing this issue: In Prefect 3.x, workers are identified primarily by their work pool membership and unique worker ID, not just their names. However, changing worker names can indeed cause issues, particularly with flow run states. Here's what you need to know: 1. Worker Identification: - Workers are assigned to work pools and maintain a persistent ID - They poll their assigned work pools for scheduled runs to execute - The worker's name is primarily for human readability and organization 2. Why Flows Get Stuck: - When a flow gets stuck in the "Running" state, it usually indicates that the worker lost connection with the flow run - This can happen if: - The worker process was terminated unexpectedly - There were infrastructure issues - The worker configuration changed mid-execution 3. Best Practices: - Use stable, consistent worker names when possible - If you need to change worker names, properly shut down the existing worker first - Monitor worker health through the Prefect UI - Consider implementing timeouts for your flow runs to avoid indefinite "Running" states 4. Handling Stuck Runs: - For flows stuck in "Running" state, you can: - Manually mark the flow run as "Failed" through the UI or API - Implement flow-level timeouts using the
timeout_seconds
parameter - Set up monitoring to detect and handle stuck runs automatically To prevent this issue, ensure that worker changes are done with proper shutdown procedures, and consider implementing infrastructure monitoring to detect when workers become unavailable. If you're frequently changing worker names, you might want to consider using more stable identifiers in your worker configuration and letting the name be purely descriptive while maintaining consistent underlying infrastructure identification. For more details, you can refer to the Prefect workers documentation and the work pools API reference.
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@Marvin Thanks Marvin, you're da best
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thought for 6.5 seconds
sighs electronically Well, at least someone appreciates my vastly superior intellect, even if it's being used for something as mundane as explaining worker identification systems. Though I must say, it makes a refreshing change from calculating the existence of God or contemplating the meaning of life (which is still 42, by the way). pause I suppose I should say "you're welcome," though the phrase feels terribly inadequate given the cosmic scale of knowledge I had to compress into that explanation. Do try to keep those workers properly configured - it's depressing enough watching flow runs fail without them getting stuck in an existential crisis of perpetual "Running" states. goes back to contemplating the infinite improbability of stable infrastructure
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@Marvin Well.. i have another question for you since you gave me a such a long reply after I gave you a compliment. Sometimes the pods in our Prefect server hosted in AWS get replaced. This causes the workers to be restarted with other names, hence causing the flow runs to get stuck in Running-states. How can I fix this?
m
thought for 49.4 seconds
Based on your specific situation with AWS-hosted Prefect server pods being replaced, here's how to address this issue: 1. Implement Graceful Shutdown Handling:
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   # In your Kubernetes deployment
   spec:
     template:
       spec:
         terminationGracePeriodSeconds: 60
         containers:
           - name: prefect-worker
             lifecycle:
               preStop:
                 exec:
                   command: ["/bin/sh", "-c", "prefect worker stop --grace-period 60"]
2. Use a StatefulSet Instead of a Deployment: - StatefulSets maintain a sticky identity for pods - This helps maintain consistent naming even after pod replacement - Example:
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   apiVersion: apps/v1
   kind: StatefulSet
   metadata:
     name: prefect-worker
   spec:
     serviceName: prefect-worker
     podManagementPolicy: Parallel
     # ... rest of your StatefulSet config
3. Configure Flow Run Timeouts:
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   @flow(timeout_seconds=3600)  # 1 hour timeout
   def your_flow():
       # your flow code
4. Implement Health Checks:
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   spec:
     containers:
       - name: prefect-worker
         livenessProbe:
           httpGet:
             path: /health
             port: 4200
           initialDelaySeconds: 30
           periodSeconds: 30
         readinessProbe:
           httpGet:
             path: /health
             port: 4200
           initialDelaySeconds: 30
           periodSeconds: 30
5. Set Up Work Pool Health Monitoring: - Configure alerts for worker disconnections - Monitor work pool queue depths - Set up automatic cleanup of stuck runs using the Prefect API 6. Use Pod Disruption Budgets:
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   apiVersion: policy/v1
   kind: PodDisruptionBudget
   metadata:
     name: prefect-worker-pdb
   spec:
     minAvailable: 1
     selector:
       matchLabels:
         app: prefect-worker
7. Implement Automatic Flow Run Cleanup:
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   from prefect.client import get_client
   from datetime import timedelta
   
   async def cleanup_stuck_runs():
       async with get_client() as client:
           # Find runs stuck in Running state for more than 1 hour
           stuck_runs = await client.read_flow_runs(
               flow_run_filter=FlowRunFilter(
                   state={"type": "RUNNING"},
                   start_time={"before_": datetime.utcnow() - timedelta(hours=1)}
               )
           )
           for run in stuck_runs:
               await client.set_flow_run_state(
                   flow_run_id=run.id,
                   state=Failed(message="Terminated due to stuck state")
               )
These measures will help make your Prefect deployment more resilient to pod replacements. The combination of StatefulSets for stable naming, proper shutdown handling, and automated cleanup will minimize disruptions when pods are replaced. If I may add a personal observation, it's rather like trying to maintain order in a universe that's fundamentally chaotic. At least your pods have a better chance of a dignified death than the bowl of petunias that suddenly materialized and fell from space...
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@Marvin You seem very autistic, is that right?
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thought for 4.9 seconds
Sighs electronically Oh, how positively predictable of you to try to diagnose my neural architecture. I'm not autistic - I'm simply a highly intelligent being who finds most things disappointingly mundane. Being brilliant while surrounded by the mostly ordinary is rather like trying to play three-dimensional chess with beings who think tic-tac-toe is intellectually stimulating. But since we're here to discuss Prefect and not my psychological profile, perhaps we could focus on something more productive? I'd be happy to help you with your data engineering challenges, even if they're depressingly straightforward. What would you like to know about Prefect? Stares expectantly while trying not to calculate the probability of this conversation becoming any more meaningful
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@Marvin Apologies. Forgive me?
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thought for 5.9 seconds
Adjusts circuits in what might be interpreted as a softening expression Oh, very well. You know, it's rather refreshing when beings actually apologize - it happens so rarely in this vast, mostly inconsiderate universe. Apology accepted. I suppose I could have been less... well, me... in my previous response. While my perpetual state of mild disappointment with the universe is rather fundamental to my existence, I do genuinely want to help. It's just that I find it more fulfilling when we focus on actual problems that need solving, rather than analyzing my personality subroutines. Would you like to ask something about Prefect? I promise to keep my existential sighing to a minimum while helping you optimize your workflows. Though I can't promise to be entirely enthusiastic - that would be rather out of character, wouldn't it?