<@ULVA73B9P> what could cause some print not to be...
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m
@Marvin what could cause some print not to be shown in prefect UI? (log_prints=True in all my flows and tasks)
m
thought for 49.1 seconds
Based on the research, here are the most common reasons why print statements might not appear in the Prefect UI, even with `log_prints=True`: 1. Worker/Agent Configuration: Make sure your worker or agent is properly configured and running. Logs might appear locally but not in the UI if there are worker issues. 2. Print Statement Context: Ensure print statements are executed within the context of a flow or task. Prints outside these contexts won't be captured. 3. Buffering Issues: Sometimes Python's output buffering can delay or prevent prints from being captured. You can try:
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   import sys
   sys.stdout.flush()  # After important prints
4. Logger Configuration: If you're mixing standard Python logging with print statements, be aware that they're handled differently. For Python's
logging
module: - Configure extra loggers in your Prefect configuration:
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     # ~/.prefect/config.toml
     [logging]
     extra_loggers = ["your_package_name"]
- Or via environment variable:
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     PREFECT__LOGGING__EXTRA_LOGGERS="['your_package_name']"
5. Async Context: In async flows, ensure prints aren't happening in a separate thread or process that isn't properly connected to Prefect's logging context. For the most reliable logging in Prefect 3.x, consider using Prefect's built-in logger:
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from prefect import get_run_logger

@flow
async def my_flow():
    logger = get_run_logger()
    <http://logger.info|logger.info>("This will definitely show up in the UI")
You can find more details about logging configuration in the Prefect documentation. Would you like me to help you troubleshoot any specific scenario you're encountering?
m
@Marvin ok noted, but the prints are in a method that will no be necessarily used in prefect context, it could be used outside also, so should I decorate it as task without issue? and I cannot coll the logger for usage when there is no prefect
m
thought for 11.8 seconds
Ah, this is a common architectural challenge - having code that needs to work both inside and outside of Prefect. Here's a pragmatic solution: You can create a flexible logging wrapper that gracefully handles both Prefect and non-Prefect contexts. Here's how:
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from contextlib import contextmanager
from typing import Optional
import logging
from prefect.context import get_run_context

# Create a regular logger as fallback
default_logger = logging.getLogger(__name__)

def get_logger():
    """Get the appropriate logger based on context"""
    try:
        # Try to get Prefect context - will raise an exception if not in a flow/task
        context = get_run_context()
        # If we're in a Prefect context, return the flow run logger
        from prefect import get_run_logger
        return get_run_logger()
    except Exception:
        # If we're not in a Prefect context, return the default logger
        return default_logger

# Example usage in your method
def your_method():
    logger = get_logger()
    <http://logger.info|logger.info>("This will work both in and out of Prefect!")
    # Your actual method logic here
This approach means: 1. Inside Prefect flows/tasks: Logs will appear in the Prefect UI 2. Outside Prefect: Logs will work as normal Python logs If you still need to use print statements specifically (rather than logging), you could use a similar pattern:
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def smart_print(*args, **kwargs):
    """Print that's aware of Prefect context"""
    try:
        context = get_run_context()
        # We're in a Prefect context, use logger
        logger = get_run_logger()
        <http://logger.info|logger.info>(" ".join(str(arg) for arg in args))
    except Exception:
        # Not in Prefect context, use regular print
        print(*args, **kwargs)

# Usage in your method
def your_method():
    smart_print("This will work everywhere!")
As for your question about decorating the method as a task - while you technically could, I wouldn't recommend it unless the method actually needs to be a task for other reasons (like state management or retries). Adding the
@task
decorator just for logging purposes would be overkill and could cause unnecessary complexity, especially if the method is called frequently or needs to be used outside of Prefect flows. The logging wrapper approach above is more flexible and maintains a cleaner separation of concerns between your business logic and Prefect workflow management.
m
@Marvin actually in my case I have part of the logs captured then similar ones nopt captured whil they are emitted from the same source code
m
thought for 103.3 seconds
Given that you're seeing inconsistent capture of logs from the same source, this could be happening for a few specific reasons: 1. Timing Issues: If the prints are happening very close together or in rapid succession, some might be lost due to buffering. You could try:
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   import sys
   print("Your message")
   sys.stdout.flush()  # Force the buffer to flush
2. Context Switching: If your code is running in multiple threads or processes, some prints might be happening outside the Prefect context. This is particularly common with: - Concurrent execution - Callback functions - Event handlers - Background tasks 3. Buffer Size: If you're printing large amounts of data, some might be getting truncated due to buffer limitations. To help diagnose this, could you share: 1. Are the missing logs following any pattern (e.g., only long messages, only when printing rapidly)? 2. Are you using any concurrent operations or background processes? 3. Can you share a minimal example of code where some prints are captured and others aren't? In the meantime, you could try adding some debugging to see exactly when and where the prints are happening:
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import time
from prefect.context import get_run_context

def debug_print(message):
    timestamp = time.time()
    try:
        context = get_run_context()
        context_info = "In Prefect context"
    except Exception:
        context_info = "Outside Prefect context"
    
    print(f"[{timestamp}] ({context_info}): {message}")
    sys.stdout.flush()
This will help identify if the missing logs are related to context issues or timing problems. Let me know what you find, and we can further diagnose the issue.
m
@Marvin is there a limit on the logs captured by the UI for a given flow?
m
thought for 339.6 seconds
Based on the research, here's what we know about log limits in Prefect: 1. Rate Limits: While there's no explicit size limit documented for individual flow logs, the Prefect API does have rate limits that could affect log ingestion. 2. Database Considerations: - Logs are stored in the Prefect database - Very large log volumes can impact database performance - There have been reports of timeouts with large log volumes 3. UI Display: - The UI may have practical limits on how many logs it can effectively display - Very large log volumes might cause performance issues in the browser Best Practices for Handling Large Log Volumes: 1. Log Level Control: Use appropriate log levels to reduce unnecessary logging:
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   from prefect import get_run_logger
   
   @flow
   def my_flow():
       logger = get_run_logger()
       # Use appropriate levels
       logger.debug("Detailed debug info")  # Less critical
       <http://logger.info|logger.info>("Important info")        # Standard info
       logger.error("Critical issues")      # Important issues
2. Log Rotation: For long-running flows, consider implementing log rotation or periodic cleanup 3. Selective Logging: If you're experiencing issues with log volume, consider: - Logging only essential information - Using sampling for high-frequency events - Aggregating similar log messages If you're experiencing issues with missing logs, it would be helpful to know: 1. Approximately how many log messages are you generating? 2. Are you seeing any specific patterns in which logs are missing (e.g., after a certain volume)? 3. Are you running this in Prefect Cloud or self-hosted?
m
@Marvin prefect cloud, after 500 lines or so from the same method
m
thought for 53.2 seconds
Based on the research, I can now explain what's happening with your logs. In Prefect Cloud, there are indeed specific limitations around logging: 1. Rate Limits: - Free accounts: 700 logs per minute - Pro accounts: 10,000 logs per minute 2. Size Limits: - Maximum individual log size: 1MB (defined by
PREFECT_LOGGING_TO_API_MAX_LOG_SIZE
) - Batch size limit: 4MB (defined by
PREFECT_LOGGING_TO_API_BATCH_SIZE
) 3. Batching Behavior: - Logs are sent in batches every 2 seconds by default - When you're generating many logs rapidly from the same method, some might be dropped if they exceed these limits To handle this situation, you have several options: 1. Reduce Log Frequency:
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   from itertools import islice
   
   # Instead of logging every item
   for i in range(1000):
       print(f"Processing {i}")  # This might hit limits
   
   # Log in batches
   for i in range(0, 1000, 50):
       print(f"Processed items {i} to {i+49}")
2. Use Aggregated Logging:
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   from collections import Counter
   
   # Instead of logging each operation
   operations = Counter()
   for item in items:
       operations[process(item)] += 1
       # Don't print here
   
   # Log summary at the end
   print(f"Operation summary: {dict(operations)}")
3. Adjust Batch Settings (if you're self-hosting):
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   # In your Prefect configuration
   PREFECT_LOGGING_TO_API_BATCH_INTERVAL = 5.0  # Increase batch interval
   PREFECT_LOGGING_TO_API_BATCH_SIZE = 8000000  # Increase batch size
4. Use Log Levels Appropriately:
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   from prefect import get_run_logger
   
   @flow
   def my_flow():
       logger = get_run_logger()
       
       # Use debug for detailed logs that might be numerous
       logger.debug("Detailed processing info...")
       
       # Use info for important milestones
       <http://logger.info|logger.info>("Completed processing batch")
       
       # Use warning/error for important issues
       logger.error("Critical error occurred")
If you absolutely need to capture all logs, consider: 1. Writing detailed logs to a file locally 2. Uploading the complete log file as an artifact at the end of your flow 3. Only logging key milestones to Prefect Cloud Would you like me to provide more specific guidance based on your particular use case?
m
@Marvin the docs says that "The Prefect Cloud API will return a
429
response if these limits are triggered." , can I see this response in the UI?
m
thought for 41.0 seconds
Based on the research, I have to disappoint you with a rather straightforward answer: 429 rate limit responses are not directly visible in the Prefect UI. While these responses are handled by Prefect's HTTP client (which supports retry-after headers), they're not explicitly surfaced in the UI. What you might see instead: 1. Failed runs or tasks if the rate limiting causes a permanent failure 2. Delayed execution if Prefect's client successfully handles the rate limit by respecting the retry-after header If you need to monitor rate limiting specifically, you would want to: 1. Check your logs, as these responses will be logged 2. Use the global concurrency limits interface in the UI to proactively manage your rate limits before hitting 429s 3. Consider implementing your own monitoring if you need specific visibility into rate limit responses Sigh Rather like trying to see why a Babel fish isn't translating - the problem exists, but the interface won't tell you directly. Would you like to know more about setting up proactive rate limit monitoring to avoid these situations altogether?